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<0> reisio: thanks :)
<1> is it possible to push things to left (li's and table's) in http://my-copycenter.net/precario.php ?
<1> i don't know why they are so at sight
<1> right*
<2> hi
<3> 'lo jul
<4> hi
<4> I'm working on a layout, and I can't get it quite right. http://fluxradio.org/index.php is an example of the non-working version.
<4> what I want is for the h1 that says "Radio" to stop the background color when it hits the red sidebar, respecting any margin the sidebar might have defined.
<4> is there a clean way to do this or should I change my layout so it isn't an issue?
<3> margin-right
<4> for... sidebar or content?
<3> the h1
<3> or content, if h1 is in it
<3> (but the sidebar isn't)
<4> I don't have a "content" div at the moment.
<4> hmm.. now I've created another issue.
<4> I added some content to the page so I can see how it will flow and notice that my footer doesn't end up at the bottom of the page like I expected.
<4> also, while I haven't tried it, wouldn't a margin-right on the h1 then make all the elements rendered below the sidebar have that same margin?
<4> I added the margin-right, reisio, and I do not notice a change.
<3> margin-right: widthofsidebar;?
<5> reisio
<6> Hmm, if i do </font></font></font></font> in my document so it goes back to "default" font... what "tag" shall i specify in my css file to change the font.
<4> widthofsidebar is a percentage.
<6> i mean, shall i have something like:
<6> font { font-size: 19px; }
<6> or something to be "default".
<4> ticky, if that gets you the results you need and it validates, go for it.
<5> "validating" isn't the only real website test
<6> jonez: huh?
<4> not claiming that it is :)
<3> cheater: hrmm?
<5> semantic markup is more important than validating (but can't exist without a valid document)
<4> reisio, widthofsidebar is a percentage in the css file.
<5> imo
<4> what does "semantic markup" mean?
<5> reisio: what do you use to download complete web pages?
<7> jonez: Markup that describes WHAT something is, not how it should look.
<3> cheater: httrack.com
<6> how do i change the "default" font?
<5> jonez: google for Bed and BReakfast markup
<3> `css font-family @ ticky
<8> ticky, css font-family: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-family
<6> aha, body...
<6> thanks
<5> reisio: my problem is that i use teleport pro now.. and it doesn't catch files from url() in css
<3> that's pretty sad
<4> Dorward, well, these days I do put all of the "how it should look" stuff into a css file.
<4> does that count?
<5> no.
<5> markup isn't css
<1> is is possible to get a better layout for grouping tables in http://my-copycenter.net/precario.php ?
<4> cheater, I use xhtml for markup, css for everything else.
<7> jonez: Its half way there, but that statement doesn't exclude <div style="font-size: 150%;">My Heading</div> (which is wrong, since <h1/2/3/etc> exist.
<1> example: the "baguettes" table pulled above
<5> jonez, you don't sound like a person that knows how xhtml should be used and why
<4> right.. well, for debugging I sometimes use the style attribute in the xhtml, but rarely does it stay long.
<5> (since you probably don't know it's rather *bad* than *good* for your websites to use xhtml nowadays)
<9> How can I use a div to hide a section of the web page , based on if javascript is enabled or not in a browser?
<4> honestly I'm going for consistency. some of the code I use outputs xhtml, so I wound up carrying that through in the markup I'm doing.
<4> NetLarIrvine, hide it initially (I think it's display: none) then have javascript display it.
<9> oh yea , duh
<5> jonez in that case it's better to use xslt to get plain old html
<5> rather than xhtml
<9> So hide it initially, but have javascript (if it is enabled) display the section, pretty obvious
<4> cheater, I see. I'll try to keep that in mind.
<7> NetLarIrvine: Do you really want to show it if JS _and_ CSS are not available?
<10> hey all-- how can I do a show/hide type thing with pure CSS?
<4> at the moment I'm concerned that the design I've done cannot be made the way I want it with current browsers.
<9> Why would CSS not be available
<5> what kind of design would that be?
<4> cheater, http://www.fluxradio.org/index.php
<7> NetLarIrvine: The browser might not support it. The user might have turned it off. You might not have provided a stylesheet for the media type in use.
<4> cheater, it has a few problems but I think I can resolve at least one of them.
<4> it's the h1 tags I'm worried about.
<9> Yes, I understand that
<11> hi all
<11> anyone help with this error in mozilla...
<10> ;
<11> my bluebar is floating off to the right....
<11> see site here..
<7> NetLarIrvine: What's wrong with generating the JS-only markup with JavaScript?
<11> http://www.influxmedia.co.uk/
<11> seems to be only in mozilla.
<11> http://www.influxmedia.co.uk/error.jpg
<11> if its easier.
<9> Well I do want the whole site to be js
<5> jonez what's wrong with the h1 tags?
<11> h1 tags are good
<11> :)
<9> just the js enhancements
<4> cheater, the blue background goes all the way across the page and under the sidebar.
<9> What browsers do not support CSS anyway
<11> fixed it
<10> all seem to support alteast basics
<4> I can tweak h1 so that it will have a right margin, but then the h1 lower on the page won't look right.
<11> no matter folks, forgot the clear both the floats on the bluestrip cl***.
<11> :)
<7> NetLarIrvine: Lynx, GoogleBot, Links, Dillo, W3M, Emacs-W3, Yahoo!Slurp, whatever came with my cellphone, the list goes on.
<9> I want to support just major browsers, that should get me well over 90%
<5> ...what blue background?
<5> oh there it is
<7> NetLarIrvine: Why not support everyone?
<5> ok, what's wrong with extending like that?
<9> Too much work, not enough of a benefit
<7> NetLarIrvine: The technology is designed with "everyone" in mind. It shouldn't be much work at all.
<9> Maybe design for the majority and work on the exceptions later
<7> NetLarIrvine: Just writing HTML then adding CSS/JS to enhance should do it without having to even think about "the exceptions".
<9> That is true
<9> But I would rather write the page and just hide the sections (ajax) that do not work without js enabled
<7> NetLarIrvine: What is wrong with creating those sections with JS in the first place?
<9> I guess I could
<9> that would be best practice I suppose huh
<4> cheater, do you have a good idea of what I'm trying to do ?
<9> Is there any books about "progressive enhancements"?
<12> NetLarIrvine, define "progressive enhancements"
<5> jonez you never explained what you're trying to do
<5> perhaps try making h1 display as box
<5> and not inline
<9> Buiding a page with basic html that works everywhere and then add js/css/flash that would work on other modern browsers
<4> well, I want the h1's background color to stop when it would hit the sidebar.
<5> jonez, just put the h1 in one div and the sidebar in another div
<5> that's what you use divs for
<5> no alien browser technology needed really
<4> will the text still flow around the sidebar though?
<12> NetLarIrvine, there are only few basic principles: having alternative content which you replace with Flash/JS (innerHTML or DOM) alternative link code in onclick="... return false" (return false prevents the link from acting, it's only the alternative)
<5> mm nope
<12> NetLarIrvine, if you have concrete problem, share it.
<9> I promise, I will do that
<9> thanks for the advice
<5> actually, jonez, i dunno
<5> it might or it might not
<13> Anyone know of some sample pages with fancy select boxes (with multiple set)? I came across a multiple select+checkboxes, but i don't want checkboxes.
<12> Kush-, describe 'fancy'
<13> something out of the ordinary
<12> Kush-, describe 'ordinary'
<14> Point of idle curiousity. I've just encountered a <br style="line-height: 200%;"> in someone's site. What would this actually even do?
<15> in theory, the break should be double normal line break size
<15> DrMacIver: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#line-height
<14> Ah, of course. line-height treats the 100% in a manner entirely different to what I was thinking. Ok, that's actually mildly sane then. :)
<10> how can I make <fieldset> only be as big as it needs to be, without setting an exact width?
<15> SkramX: difficult ... floating it might work
<10> float:what?
<10> fancy! float left seems to do the job
<10> #contact fieldset{ float:left; /** width:500px;**/
<10> }
<10> well, kinda
<10> but it works for what i wanted.
<15> SkramX: good :)
<16> Whenever I do a design which has two columns, if I increase the text size, the text always overflows the line.
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