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<0> grr, still trying to find a nice IDE for visual creation of decent css rich ui layouts
<1> lukkju: i find vim + firefox works just fine :]
<2> lokkju_wrk: text editor and web browser
<0> mlingo, I did say "visual creation"
<1> lokkju_wrk: define "visual creation"
<2> lokkju_wrk: doesn't ork
<2> work
<0> most the time, I just want to get the freaking UI done so I can program
<3> hey.. i was in here the other day, and caught a tip about some css to use with the universal selector, that helped with some page layout problems.. anyone happen to know what i'm talking about? i seem to have lost it in my page's css
<0> and it is always such a pain
<2> you think about presentation before function??
<0> guess I need to just find someone to trade services with :(
<1> lokkju_wrk: have you ever had the saying "form follows function"?
<2> mlingo: well put
<0> FunkyBob, nope - I think about presentation before I think about CLIENT function
<1> lokkju_wrk: UI should be your last concern
<1> FunkyBob: thanks
<0> I write the entire server api and functionality - but then I have to do the design before I can implement any rich functionality in the presentation
<1> lokkju_wrk: why?
<0> if I can't come up with good client design, then I am stuck with a very nice, but useless, backend
<4> eh, it's rails adding the 'alt' attribute to the image tag :-/
<3> *blink*
<1> you're perfectly capable of coming up with a good client design after getting it working
<1> aficionado: yeah, that's required
<3> maybe it was something like * { padding: 0; margin: 0; } .. ring any bells anyone ?
<4> mlingo: actually it's putting alt for hrefs
<1> EricBlade: yup
<3> was there anything else in that tip that i'm forgetting?
<0> mlingo, no - I am a programmer, not a designer... I can implement any functionality, but when it comes to creating a UI... I can even create any behavior for a given UI, if someone else figureout what it should be
<1> EricBlade: not really
<1> lokkju_wrk: and so, if you were to make a design change halfway through the programming...
<3> ok, cool. i'm building a new site seperate from my old one, went to look at my old one, and that was gone :-S
<1> ah
<1> i notice homer and fury_ are quiet...
<4> mlingo: so when moving back to HTML 4.01 should I also remove the / for empty tags?
<0> mlingo, doesn't matter
<0> mlingo, the backend functionality is always seperate from the front
<1> aficionado: yup
<1> lokkju_wrk: i know. but say you were to make a design change on the frontend halfway through coding for the frontend
<0> mlingo, I either use standard MVC, such as RoR and CakePHP, or else, preferably, I use an entirely XML/JSON driven client
<0> mlingo, ah, but that is why I like nailing down the design first
<1> lokkju_wrk: my point is, that design change could mean you have to change a lot of code
<0> mlingo, as I said, I am *not* a designer, and it kills me when it comes to putting the finishing touches on an app
<0> sure, but it would only be on the client, big deal
<0> I componetize everything
<1> then hire a designetr
<1> **designer
<2> JSON > XML
<0> mlingo, like I said, I am thinking I might have to - though I would rather find one that wants to trade time
<0> FunkyBob, depends - one advantage with XML is it is easier to consume from other languages... though JSON still can be, it just takes more work
<5> heh
<2> lokkju_wrk: you're kidding, right?
<5> wikipedia's article on JSON has a heading 'Using JSON in Ajax' :p
<5> too funny
<0> FunkyBob, not at all - try consuming a JSON API from perl
<2> there's JSON support in more languages than I've bothered to learn yet
<0> FunkyBob, or, C#
<2> lokkju_wrk: exactly what do you mean by "consume" in this context?
<1> see, my gut instinct to C# is "microsoft, blech"
<0> FunkyBob, convert the data into a native usable format
<5> mlingo++
<0> mlingo, C# is not just for windows - mono is much faster then Java, and fully cross platform
<5> JSON, XML, etc.
<5> support is as far away as simple regex :p
<2> lokkju_wrk: so far I've had much more pain using XML than JSON
<1> reisio: don't increment me without my permission! ;]
<5> :p
<1> lokkju_wrk: microsoft develops C#, no?
<0> FunkyBob, depends on your languages and libraries
<2> and as I said... www.json.org has links to JSON libs for a LOT of languages
<5> C# is Microsoft's
<5> Java is Sun's
<0> mlingo, they developed the original spec - it is now a full open standard
<5> C is nobody's
<0> reisio, bull****
<5> lokkju_wrk: if only :p
<0> C is nobodies NOW
<5> ...that's what I just said
<5> of course it was nobody's in the beginning, too :p
<0> reisio, now, the language really is an open spec - the implementation of all parts of it is not
<2> lokkju_wrk: so, I'm looking at the doco on the Perl JSON lib... looks trivial enough
<5> more specifically, Ritchie's :p
<2> reisio: don't forgetKernigan
<5> lokkju_wrk: ...that's what I just said :p
<5> Kernighan*
<5> it's Ritchie's language
<5> Kernighan just helped write the book
<1> C++ is bjarne stroustrup's
<5> mlingo: the ++ part, anyways :p
<5> whooopeefrikkin'doo :p
<2> yeah... we know exactly who to blame for C++ :P
<5> hahah
<1> reisio: yeah
<5> not enough people ask themselves 'why C++ instead of Obj C?'
<5> or even 'Why anything but C?' :p
<2> from what I've seen of it so far, I like ObjC
<1> i... havent rly exposed myself to anything but C++
<1> >.<
<0> why anything but ASM?
<1> you know, all these languages are unnecessary
<1> Ti-BASIC ftw!
<1> >_>
<1> <_<
<0> rofl
<2> my dad likes to say "You can do ANYTHING in BASIC."
<5> because C is much more portable than ASM :p
<2> It may be tricky, difficult, and not worth the effort....
<5> FunkyBob: too many visits to zombo.com while smoking Microsoft J's
<2> reisio: actually, he's an IBM veteran
<0> mlingo, that is ti-basic fro the ti graphing calculators?
<2> his point was more along the lines of "horses for courses"
<6> hey guys I have a site @ thethinkinghat.com that I am working on. I need some help with getting the text and the quote image to line up right
<5> FunkyBob: dresscode
<2> @http://thethinkinghat.com
<7> (thethinkingha...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/yr7o6f ) CSS: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/33m9du ) DOCTYPE: NO DOCTYPE
<6> sorry thethinkinghat.com/test
<1> lokkju_wrk: yup
<2> @http://thethinkinghat.com/test
<7> (thethinkingha...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/38wbn3 ) CSS: Valid W: ( http://tinyurl.com/2a4vyx ) DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict + url
<0> mlingo, super mario brothers in ti-basic was great for math cl***
<1> lokkju_wrk: hehehe :]
<5> `doctype @ putnum
<8> putnum, doctype: Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended)
<5> ah test
<2> reisio: heh
<6> heh it has a doctype :)
<5> putnum: why're you using an image...
<9> hmmm
<6> for the quote?
<1> putnum: there was a thing on 24ways.org about that
<6> its the only way i know how to use one that size and be able to style it
<6> ahhh
<9> putnum: did you code that h1 js yourself?
<0> mlingo, my math instructor could never figure out why I liked it so much... in inorganic chemistry it was great too - the prof told me that if I knew the info well enough to program it into my calc, I could do it... and we were allowed to use calc on our tests, as long as they did not have a qwerty keyboard... and I had the ti-86, which was one of the highest ones that didn't
<6> no denvull
<9> thief
<6> i didn't got it here http://www.twinhelix.com/
<9> but it's kinda cool..
<1> lokkju_wrk: rofl nice
<6> i am paying for it lol
<9> how much?
<6> great script library
<2> I wonder if the proper name for the "qwerty" keyboard will ever be commonly known
<1> FunkyBob: care to enlighten us?
<6> i dunno its more a donation.
<1> putnum: http://24ways.org/2005/swooshy-curly-quotes-without-images
<2> mlingo: it's the Sholes layout
<0> FunkyBob, aka "the slow you don't so you can type fast enough to jam the typewroter" layout
<2> lokkju_wrk: yep
<1> FunkyBob: did NOT know that. but QWERTY is a cuter word...
<0> s/can/can't/
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