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<0> hmm
<1> I personally think it should have been text-color or font-color
<0> i have no color with my background-color
<2> it's a warning to help you not put white text on a white background
<0> intresting
<3> Zeros, you found a security hole in my site?
<1> seems that way
<0> ok, thanks
<3> lol
<3> thanks
<1> among a plethora of smarty issues:P
<3> how do you suggest i fix it?
<3> switch?
<1> make sure its in the right directory: use a regexp to trim off any ../ (or any slashes period) and probably periods too
<1> ender, most browsers let you pick a default font color, if you specify a red background, and no color for the text, and they have red as their default font color they can't see it :P
<4> Hey guys, I need some help.
<2> `ask
<5> ask: Those asking to ask risk axing. Don't ask permission to ask a question. Don't test the water, don't try our patience. Just ask. www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
<4> I need to make a very neat user interface for some web software
<4> How would I make something with a simple positioning like http://opensourcecms.com/?
<4> notice the side bar and the top bar, and the content location..
<2> `schools
<5> schools: Explore the intricacies of HTML and CSS here: www.blooberry.com/ , www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/
<1> jbrimble, don't use that awful tree menu down the side though :)
<4> haha, no i won't.
<4> It's an order tracking and inventory management system. I have been stressing out about the layout for ages.
<4> I'm no graphic designer
<1> well look at a few other websites that are similar to what this one does, think about what you like and don't like about them (many of them are probably bad)
<1> then ask the client what they think it should be like
<1> and provide guidance when they say they want bright yellow backgrounds and neon green text :D
<4> hehe
<4> thanks
<6> how can i do this without javascript?
<6> <a href="logout.php"><input type="button" value="Sar" /></a>
<1> do what....
<7> sergiol: <form action="logout.php"><input type="submit" value="Logout"></form>
<8> "ender" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "order of css makes a change??" (37 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/2203
<0> yeah
<0> check that if someone would be so kind and has time
<2> `css specificity
<5> css specificity: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#specificity
<2> Finally, sort by order specified: if two declarations have the same weight, origin and specificity, the latter specified wins. Declarations in imported style sheets are considered to be before any declarations in the style sheet itself.
<0> hmm
<0> i see, so my margin: is over riding the other, cool thanks again
<0> hawkaloogie: you are pretty damn helpful you know that?
<2> yes'm
<6> tks for your creativity
<4> anyone know of a good drop-down menu script?
<7> ****erfish dropdowns?
<7> (Search google for them)
<9> `dropdowns
<9> `dropdown
<9> `drop teh heckx0r down
<2> `menus
<5> menus: www.brainjar.com/dhtml/menubar/ , www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ , www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ , www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/cssmenu.html , www.udm4.com/ , www.cs.ucla.edu/~heng/JSCookMenu/
<9> hawkaloogie: cheater :p
<2> reisio, /msg rtfs list <- learn it, know it, love it
<9> that's way less fun
<7> Eh, I just have a few that I memorize/use regularly.
<10> ****erfish dropdowns? why not use csshover.htc? less crap to deal with
<10> `ie hoverhack
<9> Flannel: one is valid, one is not :p
<5> ie hoverhack: www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html (working example: www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/cssmenu.html )
<9> csshover.htc being the NOT :p
<10> reisio: if you put it in CCs, it's perfectly valid, just as valid as checking the browser in the JS, and NOT doing anything if its not IE
<10> reisio: besides, the JS solution requires a bunch of messy cl***es, and other crap. Just for one browser? I think not.
<9> no it's not :p
<9> you think 'behavior' is a valid property? :p
<9> and you don't have to check the browser in the JS
<9> you know it only has to apply to IE
<10> no, but I'd rather allow visitors with modern browsers to use the CSS solutions, which requires only setting the mouse overs on nonIE
<11> please don't apply stuff to IE :|
<9> what'd I just say? You only have to give it JS for IE
<10> reisio: Right. So, it's EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
<9> no...
<9> as previously stated, yours is completely invalid :p
<10> reisio: right, so. How are you 'just' giving it JS for IE?
<9> Flannel: any way you want
<12> `ie7 # is unobtrusive, and thanks to caching is a one-time only 22k download for the user
<5> ie7: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/overview/ (It's not IE version 7. READ.)
<13> ie7.js is huge and really slow
<9> unobtrusive :p p'shaw
<9> what frb said
<10> reisio: Conditional comments, alright. So, use conditional comments for the behavior as well. And *magic* it's valid.
<9> Flannel: I didn't say conditional comments
<10> reisio: you said 'any way you want', smart guy.
<9> okay, any way you want that is valid :)
<10> conditional comments ARE valid.
<9> just because the validator doesn't care if they're there, doesn't make them standard
<10> <!-- --> is a comment. It's valid.
<9> and conditional comments are proprietary code
<10> I never said it was correct rendering, but it's valid.
<9> which is just as bad as invalid
<10> no, the 'non IE' ones are proprietary, the IE only ones are perfectly valid, stop being stupid.
<9> could even argue that they're worse
<13> Flannel: this is the point where I don't argue with him anymore, since I find it perfectly acceptable to use proprietary code to work around proprietary bugs
<10> frb: yeah, I guess he's just got his head too far up his ***.
<9> now we're arguing about the definition of 'proprietary'? :p
<11> you are all invalid
<9> I can link you to the OED's if you like
<11> IE will never be valid
<11> ie is a borrowed ladder
<11> :D
<9> a borrowed ladder?
<13> A monk who had reserved goods and effects to himself, notwithstanding his renunciation of all at the time of profession.
<11> eh - it's from the movie Gattaca
<11> they talk alot about VALID
<12> nnn0: 'valid' is an absolute term, which no browsers manage yet :P
<9> nnn0: oh, I should watch that again, good movie
<11> :) yeah i love that movie
<10> reisio: above all that, "behavior" is a perfectly VALID css property. CSS allows for vendor extensions, recommending that one prefix it with - or _, but not requiring.
<9> how does it always come down to this
<9> a valid name of a proprietary property IS NOT THE SAME as a valid, standard property
<9> I'm not arguing whether you're allowed to use proprietary code
<9> I'm just say that it's proprietary and nonstandard
<11> and if a property validates has nothing to do with if it's valid (?)
<13> 2: still legally acceptable; "the license is still valid"
<9> nnn0: has something to do, usually
<11> :)
<9> for instance, 'behavior' will not, because it's not in the standard
<9> s/say/saying :p
<11> :D
<9> peach fuzzzzzz
<11> !v www.nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
<11> :D
<5> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 15, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
<5> CSS: Not valid - Errors: 2, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
<11> ehehe
<11> !v www.nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
<11> hours of fun
<11> :D
<9> :p
<9> nnn0: that's far out :p
<13> Result: Failed validation, 1095 errors
<11> :D
<11> thanks
<13> you crashed my konqueror
<11> :D
<11> Link to the html fuzzer - http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/soft/mangleme.tgz
<9> is there a link that isn't straight to a tarball?
<11> i got it from here http://www.infosecinstitute.com/blog/2005/12/fuzzers-ultimate-list.html
<11> Mangle
<9> :)
<11> i know someone wrote a css fuzzer, but it's nowhere to be found
<13> IE7 isn't dying
<11> :DDD
<11> actually ie is quite good with bull**** data
<11> trying to actually DO something is another business :D
<13> Firefox 2.0 beta 1 didn't die either
<11> :)
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