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<0> Munter: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<1> s/tags/attributes
<1> oh, we have a bot for that :P
<2> testing: alt tag
<0> Seriema: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<2> haha
<2> thanks Munter
<3> Hi are there any howtos on changing stuff like login forms that use tables or just forms that use tables to align into div/css without tables?
<4> http://paste.lisp.org/display/21008 is a good example of a css based form layout.
<4> And the answer of how to convert something from tables to css is "don't".
<4> Extract the content and then build it with css.
<3> DRMacIver: thats what I meant
<5> I found it
<4> row: By the way, the above is a bit strange and confusing, so take a while to figure out how it works.
<4> The problem is as usual that the 'correct' way of doing this doesn't work in IE.
<4> (On account of IE's handling of floats is ****)
<5> There is something that forces me to put a negative margin on my images in FX to put them where I need them... in IE, the negative margins aren't needed... how can I make them look the same: http://www.cybergrunge.com/test
<5> I've commented the margins out for now
<4> `css condcom
<4> Hmm
<4> No, that's not right.
<4> Anyway, google for conditional comments.
<4> They're an IE proprietary standard which is very useful for telling IE one thing and real browsers another.
<6> http://simplycertified.com/item/custom when you hover over the "fonts" in IE, the hide behind the one on the right... but when I isolate it, It works.. I work back, but I just can't seem to find out where/what causes it to mess up...
<5> DRMacIver: Only way you see it happening eh?
<4> It's generally regarded as one of the better ways of making IE behave itself.
<7> critique please! http://casadev.com
<5> DRMacIver: Amazing... them even bothering to put in that kind of function is admitting it's a shotty browser
<3> trumpetmic: very nice but links are out of alignment in opera
<8> can someone explain why IE displays and empty div as if there's some content there?
<8> and = an
<3> trumpetmic: also when you mouse over top links they don't line up with the currently selected one slight to high
<8> trumpetmic: same in firefox
<3> trumpetmic: also search page is broken into 2 parts odly
<3> oooo and sub menu items are white so you can't see them
<9> Goodmorning.
<8> yep
<10> how can i create second column ? with float?
<8> e-head: good afternoon :)
<5> Does IE carry a stylesheet from a parent page to child pages if one is not specified?
<11> How i fix it on IE ? http://smartlinks.com.br/~aflavio/joomla/index2.php (on FF work well)
<5> guevolt: Conditional Comments
<11> Bigun: ?
<12> `ie cc @ guevolt
<13> guevolt, ie cc: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp , http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html
<5> It's IE's way of admitting their browser ****s
<1> Actually I think their main reason for puttin it in was to be able to make version specific stuff without breaking validation
<11> Bigun: im not trying do a Conditional Comment. I want that the layout on FF show equal in IE.
<5> guevolt: Exactly, conditional comments allows you to load a custom CSS for IE
<5> Making it look right
<11> Bigun: aahh.. i dont want do 2 css styles. Just one.
<4> I want a pony.
<5> And a million dollars
<4> guevolt: The general idea behind this sort of thing is that you do most of the styling in your primary style sheet and then add a second one that overrides key features in IE.
<4> I think.
<4> I don't use them much.
<4> (Well, at all really. But I'm going to start doing so soon.)
<5> Yeah, not much work is involved... all you end up overriding really is margin settings
<4> Either that or stick a display: none; on everything but the big logo saying "Your browser ****s. Get a real one." :)
<4> </notbitteratallreallyhonestguv>
<11> DRMacIver: i hate write 2 styles..
<1> guevolt: You havent tried it, so you dont know how little is actually required to fix it.
<1> example:
<1> https://www.b-one.net/static/css/b-one/iefix.css <-- That is an IE fix stylesheet for our entire site. Thats 200+ pages or about 60kb of css
<4> I presume you've just changed something, as it definitely doesn't look right in FF at the moment. :)
<1> So you see, very little actually needs to be done to make it work
<11> Munter: thanks but not fixed my problem..
<2> is it possible to have a "faded" border around a CSS box? without the use of an image?
<2> why would someone used this instead of a clickable image? <input type="image" name="_ctl0:btnAboutUs" id="_ctl0_btnAboutUs" tabindex="3" title="Om oss" cl***="btnAboutUs" oncontextmenu="return false;" onmouseover="this.cl***Name='btnAboutUs-Over';" onmouseout="this.cl***Name='btnAboutUs';" onmousedown="this.cl***Name='btnAboutUs-OnClick';" src="App_Themes/Publiken1/images/transp_pixel.gif" border="0" />
<12> That "is" a clickable image, I gues.
<12> Just with really ugly code.
<2> yeah it seems to be it, so what I meant was: why not just <a href=""><img ...
<12> Because it submits a form?
<2> why? it just goes to another page =/
<12> Are there any other inputs in the form?
<2> there is no form visible, just a clickable image
<2> it's an "about us" link
<4> Seriema: Is this on an aspx page by any chance?
<2> yes
<4> That would be why then.
<4> aspx is insane
<4> That code is probably auto generated
<4> And it uses their 'web forms' model.
<4> Which is just a bad joke.
<2> maaan.... :(
<2> how am I supposed to CSS -that-??
<4> Most of the time? By throwing it away and replacing it with something slightly less ****. :(
<2> I guess I don't :P just let the image links be image links, with ugly code
<4> But unless you get to grips with how the actual aspx stuff works you're going to have a hard time making it nicely css based.
<2> crap
<4> I did get to grips with it and I *still* had a hard time. :/
<2> ! :(
<4> But that's gone now. Yay for being back on a Java based project. :)
<2> hehe
<12> Stupid ASPX!
<4> (PIty about the bit where it won't currently deploy, but never mind...)
<4> riczho: You have no idea. :(
<4> (Or maybe you do)
<12> Nope (thankfully, I guess)
<12> I did find that "link" somewhat telling, though.
<4> The link is typical.
<12> Wow.
<4> Like I said - it's based on the aspx 'web forms' model. This suffers from the slight downside that it's impossible to submit a form by clicking a link.
<4> So, how do we solve this? Oodles of javascript!
<4> Oh yes. And of course all the autogenerated html uses tables. :)
<14> lashings and lashings of it - always fun
<4> And IDs get automagically munged if you do anything server side with the page element.
<4> So you can't style them with css.
<4> (You can attach cl***es still of course.)
<4> But often you have to write it as CssCl***="foo bar" rather than cl***="foo bar". Because MS hate standards. :)
<15> anybody under linux here? I want to know what tool is good for making css template?
<12> Vim!
<2> DRMacIver: so CSS'ing this will be a pain?.... :(
<15> riczho: :) I mean the design
<4> Seriema: It's doable.
<4> Seriema: You'll just often find yourself having to work around the aspx.
<12> nvictor: Oh, Gimp/Inkscape, then?
<12> nvictor: Although I always preferred paper.
<15> I have gimp
<15> riczho: paper?
<15> riczho: you draw the site on paper? nice
<12> Drawing things out on pieces of paper.
<4> nvictor: An archaic process involving the pulping and pressing of trees.
<15> DRMacIver: :)
<15> riczho: what about coloring?
<4> Crayons.
<4> Obviously.
<12> For some reason, I always leave that until last.
<15> I see
<12> Then I randomly try combinations.
<12> (Probably not a good practice)
<15> anyway, that's great advice
<4> It's better than mine. :)
<4> I've never got into the habit of doing proper pre designs.
<15> riczho: I've already done a design with gimp
<7> hey guys. I'm having a hard time getting the h1 in my #content to display "above" the #header in IE. Any ideas? -----> http://casadev.com
<15> I don't like it,
<15> trumpetmic: damn nice design?
<15> -?
<16> Here's a website that ****s: http://schoolyourway.walmart.com/
<15> trumpetmic: good job
<16> It ****s on just about all levels.
<16> How crappy can you get?
<15> PeterFA: promoting a website?
<12> Yeah, that ****s.
<15> well I'm under linux, and I don't have flash 8
<15> trumpetmic: curious question, design done with photoshop?
<2> PeterFA: nice... 12 year olds acting like 16
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