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<0> no, really.
<0> I'm getting one for my site.
<1> haha welll then
<2> Kaitlyn2004: they dissapear for me
<2> but the right side is under the next box
<3> so...how do we know what meta tags to use if any?
<4> It is just a paint roller! BUT.... if we wait long enough, they DO become twinkies
<3> ...ok
<5> shoulnd't tables wrap around floats?
<3> yes
<5> well its not
<5> http://74.133.86.131/contactus.htm look at that page
<5> see the form i got that on a flat: left, but the table is not setting to the right.
<3> flat? you mean float
<5> yea
<5> i meant float
<3> yeah it shows that the whole thing is one float
<3> <div style="float:left; margin:1em" >
<3> which you did
<5> well I thought I did, but shouldn't that table be setting to the right cause its not in my browser
<3> you have to wrap the table in a div also
<3> see you wrapped everything in a div
<5> hold on
<5> are you saying my tables aren't wrapped in a <div></div>
<3> you need a better graphic >_>
<5> lol
<5> which one
<5> the one at the top
<5> indianacl***ifiedads.com?
<3> well that one, but no, Im telling you your whole page is wrapped in one div
<5> hmm hold on
<5> bingo goti t
<5> got it lol
<5> my fault
<3> :p
<5> so i always gotta wrap floats with divs?
<3> ...yes
<5> Riyonuk: you ever use php
<5> I'm a php freak :)
<6> Gah
<6> You do NOT have to wrap everything in a div.
<3> not really
<3> if he wants that form to float, then yes he does
<6> The form is already inside a table.
<6> Which isn't ideal, but there you go.
<5> i put the table inside a div
<6> And there's no reason to further mess things up by adding a div.
<5> and its working fine now
<6> You can just stick a float on the table
<5> do what?
<5> ohh okay
<5> well theres more then one table
<3> hes saying you can float the table
<5> I got <div><table></table><table></table><div>
<7> If no doctype is specified scrollbar settings work, but having no doctype is bad, right?
<5> I know what he means
<8> Mitja: What "scrollbar settings"?
<5> <table style="float;left">
<7> b0at, scrollbar-base-color, scrollbar-3d-light, and so on
<6> Never mind.
<7> *scrollbar-3d-light-color
<3> thats only for IE..
<5> DRMacIver: you talking to me?
<8> Mitja: Those aren't standard, aren't supported by most things, and are very annoying.
<7> b0at, what do you use?
<8> And wtf would you change your markup to suit style that has nothing to do with the content?
<8> What do I use to do what? Annoy my users? Nothing.
<3> lol
<3> it doesnt validate if I remmber correctly
<7> b0at, thanks
<9> hello
<3> hi
<9> i have <div align="center"> and it centers everything and i cant place my menu on left .. how can i do this?
<3> dont use align="center"
<8> Don't use the align attribute. It's inconsistent and presentational.
<3> and everything within that div is centered
<8> And trying to align something one way would be a good hint as to why it's not aligned another way.
<3> lol
<9> and how to center my page? with table?
<3> -_-
<3> you poor thing you
<8> TheDarkSide: You center elements, not pages.
<3> put everything within a div
<8> And table is not for aligning things.
<3> one div
<8> `center @ TheDarkSide
<10> TheDarkSide, center: http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/
<3> and give that div the property of margin: 0 auto;
<9> i gave it , but doesnt work
<8> `doesn't work
<10> doesn't work: What do you mean it doesn't work? What happens when you try to run it? What's the output? What's the error message? Saying "it doesn't work" is pointless.
<9> when i try with margin: 0 auto; its the same - centered
<11> is there anyway to do a fixed background sort of like this site, http://outtacontext.com/life/ but have the image float on top. in this case the fruit. so as you scroll up and down the image would always be at the bottom and cover the content.....not sure if that made sense
<1> http://simplycertified.com/item/custom <-- In IE when you hover over the fonts, they hide behind the right box. I can't get this to work.. how!?
<8> `css background-attachment # fixed
<10> css background-attachment: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-background-attachment
<11> i've used the fixed background on the body but the image is well, in the background. i want it to be in the foreground above the content
<3> b0at: you working on anything now? webdesign wise
<8> no
<8> claytron: Then that's fixed positioning, which IE doesn't support at all btw
<8> `css position
<10> css position: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-position
<8> `ie fixedhack
<10> ie fixedhack: www.devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/ , www.jessey.net/simon/articles/007.html
<11> i'm not too worried about IE since it's my site and i think IE can rot in hell
<11> ah yes i'm retarded. just use position
<11> thanks
<9> i test with margin:0px; padding:0px; but they dont place it on left :/
<12> hi, i'm looking for a script that replace select by javascript menu to fix the select overlay bug in ie.
<12> Can someone give a link about this ?
<12> thanx
<13> lwolf: Why not just hide selects when there is an element over it?
<12> and how do you do this ?
<12> but i think that this link is my need :
<12> http://www.easy-designs.net/articles/replaceSelect/
<13> Just hide the selects in question
<13> when needed
<13> either with display: none or visibility: hidden;
<14> wow, alot of people here :)
<15> if I have some basic formating for all my pages, like borders etc., then for some pages I just want to change the background of the body tag. Is it possible to do that without having to copy/paste all other attributes? like inheritance?
<12> body id="standard"
<12> sorry
<12> body cl***="custom"
<13> Seriema: Yes, thats antirely possible
<12> when you need to change your style
<15> is it possible to do that with cascading? i.e. I have a mainstyle.css and specific.css that gets added to mainstyle? So I basicly only have the differences in specific.css?
<9> is there something like align for css ?
<13> Seriema: yes
<16> TheDarkSide: any particular align you had in mind?
<15> Munter, nice. how do I do that? use cl*** id's like lwolf showed or does the cascading work like that?
<9> FunkyBob align="left" :/
<16> TheDarkSide: is it for text, or a block element?
<8> TheDarkSide: That's what things do by default. You're doing something else to it.
<13> Seriema: The cascade works exactly like you suggested.
<9> block element
<8> Stop being vague
<15> Munter, wonderful! I heard otherwise so I got a bit scared :)
<15> but now to my real question, how do you guys recommend formating the whole.. page. I.e. I want my page "centered" and with a specific width. Like a basic table. There's nothing outside that box except a bgcolor. Should I put a div-element around the whole page?
<9> b0at i just want to center my page and put my menu on left :)
<9> margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; doesnt center it
<13> Seriema: That depends on the complexity of the site. Usually it's a good idea with a page container that is centered
<15> Munter, not sure how to grade the complexity of the site but it's a commercial site with some flash and a bunch of images. The page container, would that be a <div> around the whole thing?
<17> Okies...
<17> I need help making this not look like poo in IE --> http://www.cybergrunge.com/test
<17> Is it margins or what exactly.. I've been playing with it and I can't see to find any clues
<13> Seriema: Usually a div is best, yes
<15> Munter: thank you.
<15> when it comes to having images on a website, do you recommend that all of that is handled through css? and if so, how would you have rotating images or images that depend on the context (like box art from a CD in a CD description)?
<13> Seriema: Images that are a part of the page layout should be backgrounds. Images that are content should be images with alt tags
<18> Munter: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
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