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<0> why would you have to change the padding?
<0> if the border did not take up space, was like a background-image
<1> Well, if I expect the padding to be the distance between the edges of the box and the content and then I have a border too, the padding will be wrong
<0> na, the border would not be included in the padding
<1> AustLaw, say I make a box with a padding of 10px and a 20px border
<0> at least that seems best to me
<0> k
<2> Outline does not increase apparent width. Border does.
<1> AustLaw, then the internal contents of the box would be restyled
<1> AustLaw, and you'd have the opposite problem to work around if you wanted them to remain constant and the page to change
<0> there is such thing as outline?
<0> didnt know that
<0> is outline new or?
<0> it didnt seem to work in IE
<3> not much supported it until relatively recently
<2> Few things work in IE. That doesn't mean they're new.



<0> but it acted like I was saying borders should in FF ;P
<1> cool! outlines...
<0> well sheets, it apears they already have somthing and its called outline
<1> AustLaw, indeed
<0> too bad it does not work in IE
<1> AustLaw, now I can have my cake and you can have yours and we can both eat our own cakes!
<0> lol
<4> what's the most compatable way to clear floats without creating extra line-height or space?
<4> s/compatable/compatible/
<5> can someone help me with a list menu
<6> ask dude, ask
<5> brb
<5> back
<5> phone
<5> http://www.dejahost.com/alter/
<5> excuse the very basicness, just a test
<5> the menu is ment to have the same bg colour as the other 3 divs
<5> as soon as i float the li's left it goes
<5> im very tired and confused
<5> and w3 is not working
<6> why do you want to float left?
<5> so they menu items are side by side
<6> just make li display:inline;
<7> try #container with background-color:#666
<2> `listamatic @ B***etts
<8> B***etts, listamatic: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/
<7> (if you want to have nav list in same color of others DIVs)
<7> question: is BR element evil?
<5> thanks zardinuk =D
<5> and b0at
<6> anybody know of a perfect example of a tree-list?
<2> What is a "tree-list"?
<2> `listamatic2 # Nested lists?
<8> listamatic2: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/listamatic2/
<9> hey is there a way to set position of an image so that it will be in the bottom right corner of a non scrolling page no matter the resolution?
<6> b0at: a list with little + signs next to some entries
<6> you click it and it expands
<6> like windows explorer
<6> sweet, nested lists listmatic!
<6> you guys have such cool resources, is there a giant list of the resources you plug in here?
<10> i have div 1 float left and div 2 is much taller - is it bad form to use a border to keep div2 from wrapping around div 1?
<9> ?
<9> in order to keep div1 from wrapping round div2 ... close div 1 b4 initiating div2
<9> </div>
<10> i've done that - div1 is only about 200px tall, but div 2 is 800px tall - it wraps around after 200px
<9> css is a bitch isnt it?
<9> try
<9> position
<9> um
<9> http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_position_absolute
<9> this page load for anyone else? :: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
<11> yeop
<2> Yes.
<11> *yup
<9> crap
<9> wonder why it wont load for me
<2> The "internet traffic report" lists some big routers down, which is probably related to freenode's splits
<11> dns?
<11> my dns crapps on me all the time...
<9> yeah im guessing my ISPs dns servers
<9> I frequently need to hit refresh after a cannot find server msg



<11> caneba, try to open http://128.30.52.34
<9> k
<9> nopes
<9> same
<9> soooo
<11> hmmm
<9> shoot I dunno
<11> sux for you!
<11> j/k
<9> word
<11> whats the url you want to validate, i'll do it for you
<9> http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<9> and the css is typical: style.css
<9> its just for an example
<2> !v http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> CSS: Not valid - Error: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<9> oh well
<11> caneba, can you see this? http://cakephp.org/pastes/show/31c6fe3594dee371d9c4bd13100e5954
<2> Invalid number : color sienna is not a color value : sienna
<9> thats great lol
<9> oh heh
<9> that needs to come out anyway
<12> !v http://www.africa-live.com/fileadmin/kraftb/home.html
<8> HTML: Not valid - Error: 1, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.africa-live.com/fileadmin/kraftb/home.html/
<8> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.africa-live.com/fileadmin/kraftb/home.html/
<13> bored
<11> daryl-, wanna watch some fun unboring things?
<13> like
<11> daryl-, www.remixtechnology.com -my vids
<11> heh
<13> This Page Is Valid -//RMX//DTD Remix Markup Language //EN!
<13> haha
<9> !v http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> CSS: Valid - Warning: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<9> !v http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<8> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://dpp.airtight-solutions.net/~caneba/
<9> dang I wish jigsaw would load for me thats weird as F
<14> hi all, how can I position a fixed div layer to the rhs?
<15> right: <length>
<14> using em's & % will move it depending on browser, hence my one line can become two
<14> float:right works under position:relative;
<2> You said it was fixed.
<14> trying different things, fixed/absolute is the only way I can see to make it be on the same horizontal level
<14> I'll have a quick play
<14> actually, duh. Just wrapped the left image causing the problem in a float:left
<14> cheers guys
<16> how can I set the horizontal alignment of child block elements?
<9> float?
<9> http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_cl***_float.asp
<16> nope
<16> <body><div></div></body>
<16> (for example)
<9> ok
<9> not to be rude
<9> but this time actualy ask the question
<17> margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; on div?
<18> "set the horizontal alignment" - needs clarification
<17> if you want the div to be horizontally centered...
<17> true
<16> Flannel, having them flush left, flush right or centered
<16> flush left is the default
<9> srry: low patience threshold kickin right now
<16> caneba, no problem, you're right :)
<17> caneba: that can actually be a good thing :)
<18> tango_: you mean text-align?
<9> thats what I use is tex-align as for how
<16> Flannel, the problem with text-align is that it acts on inline elements, not on block elements
<9> "correct" it is I dunno but it works
<18> tango_: right, I still don't know what youre trying to do, so Im grasping at straws


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