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<0> !v http://www.createdbycheney.com/testc/storm.cfm?funnelaction=1632
<1> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 11, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.createdbycheney.com/testc/storm.cfm?funnelaction=1632
<1> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.createdbycheney.com/testc/storm.cfm?funnelaction=1632
<2> is there a tutorial for div/css layout?
<2> or some documentation
<3> Shak: hmm, just realized my problem is identical to yours (nested floated elements dont respect container's background-color: this is because the parent has no height =/ )
<4> right !
<4> now I'm thinking there must be a way to organize my elements without using float:left
<3> so i guess i need the same fix. havent played with css in a while
<4> basically i have a 3 column fixed-width layout
<3> display: inline maybe?
<4> i believe inline elements can't have block elements inside
<4> so that won't work
<5> Shak: float the container
<4> Hmm, not sure if i can do that
<6> so im trying to align a border within an other http://www.i-itrash.org/ and http://www.i-trash.org/itrash.css
<7> Shak: url?
<4> basically I have two containers, one with width: 100% (for background color) and the other with a fixed width to center the content
<5> vice-versa: thanks again for the help, I owe you a beer or two
<4> sec i'll make a temporary site as an example
<5> Shak: or put in a clear after the 3 floats
<3> yeah a clearer works
<3> that's what i'm using now
<4> BaconTastesGood: I do have a clear there
<4> oh wait, maybe I don't :P
<7> BaconTastesGood: do I have to drive to NJ to get them? ;)
<0> is blockquote not allowed in xhtml?
<4> I'll play around and keep you guys updated
<5> vice-versa: No, since I'm nowhere near NJ
<5> Good grief, does my IP resolve to New Jersey?
<5> I need to get Comcast to update my PTRs...
<7> BaconTastesGood: oh, where you at then?
<5> Atlanta
<7> no it does, CBC-ATLANTA-5
<7> still long drive from here
<5> heh, where you at?
<7> Halifax, NS
<5> I dread calling Comcast
<5> oh, man, that Is a drive
<5> and it's cold
<5> and wet
<5> but there's, um, fishing.
<7> not today
<7> was 82?F at one point today here
<5> I wish it was that cold down here =/
<5> freaking 93 or something
<8> it was over 100F here
<4> whoa, that is pretty hot
<9> HELLO
<4> is adding a div style="clear:both" after the floats you want to clear the same as adding clear:both; in the cl*** for the floats themselves ?
<9> how is everyone doing
<5> Shak: no
<4> oh.
<7> hehe, reminds me of a Smirnoff vodka commercial, "...where temperature get as high as -30?F"
<8> `float contain @ Shak
<1> Shak, float contain: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html , www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
<7> implying it's hot as hell
<0> are uppercase tags invalid in xhtml?
<8> yes
<6> how do i put space from one border to another
<10> coldsteal: margins you mean?
<11> i have html, body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } but there is still a margin at the top of my html.. am i missing something?
<6> yes
<11> what?
<8> coldsteal: the space between borders is margin
<6> i cant alighn stuff with margins
<6> it doesnt work
<8> `secret
<1> secret: No URL = no help. We are not telepaths, and can't determine the problem (let alone the solution) without playing with the troublesome page. So, give URL, or leave the channel and call 1-900-PSYCHIC. Oh, and good luck. You'll need it.
<12> hello. i have thee divs: left middle and right. middle is my content div; all kinds of text and images go in there. so the height grows. i want both left and right to have the same height as middle. how can i do this?
<12> with tables; that will work instantly, but how else?
<11> what?
<11> i have html, body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } but there is still a margin at the top of my html.. am i missing something?
<11> fluffes: height: 100%?
<13> `zip @ teccus
<1> teccus, zip: Start every stylesheet with this: * { margin: 0; padding: 0; }. You'll save yourself the confusion over quite a few strange element and browser spacing differences later on.
<12> teccus: that means that the left and right divs still are not the same height; since when you scroll down the left and right will 'stop' while the middle div may be 20 pages long
<10> `faux columns
<1> faux columns: http://alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
<12> this is my biggest problem with divs/css so far :(
<6> http://www.i-itrash.org/ and http://www.i-trash.org/itrash.css
<11> RTFS, what does that do?
<7> coldsteal: 404
<6> for what one?
<14> `bot
<1> bot: Hey! I'm a bot, dumb***!
<6> http://www.i-trash.org/itrash.css
<13> `bot @ teccus
<1> teccus, bot: Hey! I'm a bot, dumb***!
<6> http://www.i-trash.org/
<11> commanyprompt then, what does * { margin: 0; padding: 0; } do?
<11> ?
<13> teccus: not all children inherit from the parent element, so, html, body {......} applies to html and body and any children of them that inherit but not to all, some children do not inherit, whereas selector * includes all elements, all children/parents
<13> `css selectors @ teccus check the Pattern Matching section
<1> teccus check the Pattern Matching section, css selectors: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html
<6> how do i bold tect
<6> *text
<11> ok, i don't want to set all my margins to 0px... i just want to set my body, html to 0px.. but the top doesn't seem to change.. why?
<13> `css font-weight @ coldsteal
<1> coldsteal, css font-weight: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-weight
<6> okay thanks
<15> Hey there.
<15> Could anyone link me to an easy tutorial to begin with CSS2?
<15> Or at least, recommend me something.
<15> The only web design I made, still decent, is fully with HTML. But I think it's now time to go fully with CSS
<13> `schools @ pauliukas
<1> pauliukas, schools: Explore the intricacies of HTML and CSS here: www.blooberry.com/ , www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/
<15> Thank you VERY much
<13> csszengarden.com is another one
<15> Yes, but that's mostly examples
<9> if i had a design using tables, is it better to apply css to the tables or recreate the tables using css?
<6> hey would i put Your IP Is or Your IP IS or Your Ip is or your ip is
<14> that depends on why the tables are there
<15> coldsteal: http://ip.gstutor.com
<15> Your IP is:
<15> IP is commonly reffered with two capitals
<6> okay thanks
<9> GarethAdams: the tables help me to get my layout correct and it visually helps me see my design, but in the past i have been applying css to the tables
<14> scrap the tables
<14> and rethink the structure of the page
<9> GarethAdams: i think the tables are using up unnecessary bandwidth, although very little, they still dont need to be there
<14> italianninja: yup
<14> but don't rebuild your page thinking that the page is a grid
<9> GarethAdams: you mean start from scratch using css
<2> can someone give me some link to a css/divs layout?
<2> i need some example
<2> lol
<14> italianninja: pretty much, yeah
<14> italianninja: break the page up into its logical sections, rather than its visual sections
<9> GarethAdams: this is the trouble, not all visual is logical, everything has to be visual
<14> do you have a URL?
<14> I'll help you break it down
<9> yeah ill get u one, one sec!
<9> i havent got a border round it yet http://www.berylschocolate.co.uk/
<9> looks good in dreamweaver
<2> damn i wil have to use tables for layout
<9> it isnt as easy as it sounds is it using css for layout!
<9> its easy to apply it to tables but no to use instead of tables! i know how your feeling asdx
<14> italianninja: if you "/msg NickServ HELP REGISTER" to register your nickname, we can take this to PM where it won't clutter up the channel
<9> i forgot my p***word
<14> go to #GarethAdams then
<16> asdx: damm's wont get you help any faster
<17> frb
<18> I didn't do it, you have no proof
<19> how would i create a div that is say 50% wide and 35% tall
<19> and sits to the right
<19> and can i do it so its right in with the html
<19> not a separate css style (while i'm speccing stuff out
<18> what can't you do?
<19> um, how to 1) put it within the html 2) specify those attributes ?
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