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<0> because people's content is important and deserves to be preserved in an accurate form
<1> listen. I come from the world of C++ - web design is not really my forte, but I am a good programmer.
<2> what will hurt me is when no one looks at my page and says "you need to differentiate the places you worked and studied at better, here is how you do it..."
<3> Dorward: how does one ***ign them?
<1> I come from a world where everything *must* be valid, or you don't have a program.
<1> (at least syntatically)
<4> moldy: You ***ign cl***es in HTML (and that bit of the spec is very very short, and very clear). CSS just has cl*** selectors.
<1> I think it is a mistake that any modern browser does not refuse to render any invalid page
<1> I know older standards dictate that the page should be rendered anyway, but that's the mistake entirely.
<5> fury_: oh how I WISH I could have enforced that crap when this whole thing first got started
<1> never should have been that way.
<1> I know the history behind things, and I know why things developed the way they did
<5> invalid page == does not display ++
<1> but now we have a chance to fix all that - the answer is strict validated xhtml.
<5> strict validated HTML 4.01
<3> Dorward: can you point me at the relevant part of the html spec?
<0> fotoflo2, oh well from a practical perspective I'd say your font is way too small
<0> fotoflo2, i find it difficult to read
<5> the world's not ready for XHTML yet -- not even IE7 has an XML parser in it
<1> no, xhtml
<4> moldy: Its in the index (which is where I'd have to go to get the reference for you).
<0> fotoflo2, i'd use an em sizing or font-size: small
<5> since you're sending it as text/html you might as well USE HTML and avoid numerous problems
<1> then we'll have to wait. again, my pages will be ready, you'll still be doing work.
<1> and there are no problems.
<2> webben: thanks
<5> you don't gain anything by using XHTML over HTML 4.01 Strict except a sense of self righteousness and potential for all manner of bugs
<5> the only reason to use XHTML is if you NEED it for MathML or similar
<5> if you don't NEED it, don't USE it
<1> anyway, from now on, I'm going to hang out here, and whenever you idiots try to tell some noob not to use xhtml, I'm just going to go off on a rant, and hopefully convince the noob to not listen to some guy that things he knows everything just because he read some article.
<6> Does anyone know if there's a way to get <tbody style="height:200px;overflow:auto"> ... </tbody> to work with safari?
<2> webben: i think the style is weak... ive been writing it by hand - would i be better off using a wysiwyg editor?
<0> fury_, Hixie, who wrote the most famous anti-XHTML-as-text/html document, spent ages trying to get browsers not to silently correct markup errors. He failed.
<0> fotoflo2, no
<6> I want to scroll this long table, it works in FF but not safari.
<2> probably, actully... whats a good one?
<5> we're also going to go off on rants and convince them otherwise fury_
<0> fotoflo2, there are no good ones... hand coding is much better
<5> because ours actually makes sense and has facts to back it up, rather than emotional rhetoric
<2> dreamweaver?
<5> THE MOST prevalent browser *does not* understand XHTML unless you send it text/html aka HTML
<5> so SEND IT HTML and get over yourself
<0> fury_, Ah yes because being persuaded by "a rant" is much more sensible than being persuaded by "some article".
<5> XHTML is not the 'latest greatest thing' when you don't gain any benefit thereof (and if you're not using MathML or similar, you gain nothing)
<4> fury_: My opinion is based on more than a few years of experience, careful reading of the specification, exposure to browsers which can't handle Appendix C XHTML, and exposure to users who can't write Appendix C XHTML. It isn't based on reading "some article".
<1> have fun :)
<1> bbl
<5> truely a closed mind gathers no thought
<0> fotoflo2, http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/web-design/getting-started.html is a guide to resources aimed at those without much experience.
<2> thanks
<2> ill do that.
<0> fotoflo2, I don't understand your layout though.
<0> fotoflo2, e.g. why languages and OSes look so different and are in the margin.
<6> overflow:auto in tbody doesn't work in safari, is there an alternative?
<0> fotoflo2, I'd also say "Self portrait" seems redundant.
<0> fotoflo2: Hixie/Ian Hickson's Resume: http://ian.hixie.ch/career/resume.html
<5> whereupon "practical experience and factual evidence" trump "some article"
<4> WebDragon|away: :)
<0> fotoflo2: examples of resume markup: http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-examples-fr
<0> in english: http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-examples
<0> fotoflo2: I think personally I'd prefer larger text and allow people to scroll down
<0> much easier to rea
<0> *read
<7> ok, apparently even my html and body element end on the bottom of the first visible page...the content goes longer but the body/html div stops (i put a border on it to see)
<7> i did html,body{ height: 100%};
<6> Is there a way to make a row of a table the header and footer? instead of duplicating the same code for the header and the footer?
<3> is it possible to define symbols inside a css stylesheet? e.g. to not have to write color codes at different places?
<4> moldy: No, but you can use something like Template-Toolkit to generate your stylesheets from a template (and thus have placeholders for colour values)
<3> Dorward: ok, thanks
<8> How would i make mouse over table row highlight with all cols for that row? table.search_results tr:hover {color:red;} does not seem to work.
<9> i have a li { color: #fff; background-color: #fff; } li:hover { color: #fff; background-color: #000; } but the css validator says that i have different values in the background-color and it give me warnings
<9> why?
<9> what about if i want to change the background-color in li:hover?
<10> I'm not the best css person, but I think you would have to do a onMouseOver for that.
<0> olsen_, Yes. It gives you warnings because if the color and background color are the same you can't read the text.
<9> webben: they arent the same
<9> webben: color are the same in li and li:hover
<9> webben: but background-color isnt
<0> olsen_, what you said: "color: #fff; background-color: #fff;"
<11> hello
<11> is anybody willing to help me solve my little problem?
<11> please have a look
<11> http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index2.php
<11> http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/css/one.css
<0> !v http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index2.php
<12> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 7, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index2.php
<12> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index2.php
<11> I cannot set the menu on the same level as logo
<0> fijam, as the topic says, you should validate first
<11> html does not validate, but it is not the case
<0> "the case"?
<4> fijam: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you
<11> it's some php stuff that is nested in the wrong way
<11> Dorward: I am aware that is neither challenging nor rewarding thing to do
<11> but I believe it is also not that much of a trouble for at least some of you
<0> fijam, best to use a strict doctype (if you're not already) in order to get the most standard rendering across the most browsers
<0> fijam, What is "that" in "that is neither..."
<11> it should be 'that it is'
<11> where 'it' is helping beginners
<11> nevermind
<0> fijam, We're delighted to help beginners. :)
<11> I use html 4.01 strict
<0> fijam, If you're problem is with how to get your source validating, you might have been better asking how in #html first, however.
<0> *your problem
<0> fijam, and if it's a PHP problem, there's #php
<11> look, my problem is strictly css related and it is not affected by the html errors
<11> and as you can see above, my css is valid
<0> fijam, It's very difficult to know when apparent CSS problems are caused by invalid markup. I don't see why you think it makes sense to claim to be a beginner /and/ claim to know that invalidity isn't affecting you.
<0> fijam, because the page as rendered depends on an interaction between CSS and a DOM created by parsing the HTML.
<11> should I cut the source for everything that is below my header (which is a problem) , re-validate it and then ask for your help?
<0> fijam, sure, if you like :)
<9> can i set a background-color as transparent?
<11> allright
<11> second approach
<11> !v http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index3.php
<12> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index3.php
<12> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index3.php
<11> now, could you help me position my menu to be under the logo?
<11> the css file: http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/css/one.css
<0> fijam, you should change the encoding specified in meta to UTF-8
<0> since that's what you're serving the page as
<0> <div cl***="title">costam</div> is what <h1> to <h6> is for.
<0> fijam, which menu are we talking about here?
<0> Home Galeria Link ?
<11> excacly
<11> *exactly
<0> fijam, any reason why you're not using a real <h1><img></h1> for the heading?
<0> like most sites do e.g. http://www.crookedtimber.org/
<0> http://www.w3.org/
<11> ok, I appreciate the suggestion
<11> but it won't quite position my menu will it? :)
<0> well, it would force it down
<0> since it would be above it.
<0> of course you'd only want img in <h1> on the front page
<11> ah, this way...
<0> for subsequent pages you'd want e.g. <h1>Galeria</h1>
<0> but you could still have <div id="banner"><img alt="Asmodeo"></div>
<0> fijam, incidentally the links at the bottom are pretty superfluous/meaningless to end-users. But in any case if there they belong in a horizontally styled list. You shouldn't have <a>foobar</a><a>baz</a> with nothing between the a
<0> because some user agents will treat it as a single link
<0> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/ for horizontal lists
<11> thanks, I didn't know that
<11> I changed the logo to <img> instead of background-image just as you've suggested but that is still not quite what I'd want
<11> is there a chance to have it on the same level?
<0> fijam, I don't see any heading now
<11> that's strange, I do.
<11> http://85.214.78.217/~opod/asmodeo/index3.php
<0> ah i was looking at index.php
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