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<0> well i have to or else the design is ruined
<1> jadacyrus: don't use height: 100%; on #wrapper :)
<1> let it auto :)
<0> if i dont it wont extend at all
<1> yes it does, it will extend as long as the content expands it down
<2> Im here bob
<3> jadacyrus: you may have to use tables. wrap the whole thing in a table which can do what you want
<3> jadacyrus: sorry that is not a very good solution but the only one I know
<0> yeah
<0> sigh
<3> i'm sorry
<0> all good
<1> hehe
<1> jadacyrus: the issue is the 100% dude, the wrapper shrinks to the smaller size on smaller viewable areas :) since 100% is relative to the viewable area
<1> and the content overflows #wrapper
<0> even if i have overflow:hidden
<1> whereas if you let it auto, the content will expand it and the bgimage will keep on tiling and is all kosher :)
<0> okay ill try that right now
<4> I have a div that has width: 100%, yet it does not apply to large img tags? in width
<4> in height it is fine
<4> anyone know what might be happening?
<0> of course my freaking host ftp server has to go downr ight when i want to test something
<0> !%!@#%!@!
<1> large img tags?
<4> large images
<1> victori: sooooooo, what's the actual Q?
<4> basically the div tag is not exapnding
<4> why does the div tag NOT expand with the image?
<5> ok, how can I move the am logo down about 50 px?
<4> height wise it is doing it
<4> width: 100%;
<1> cronin: why you wanna do that?
<1> cronin: looks fine where it's :)
<1> victori: ohhhh
<5> but if i moved the nav to the right about 100 px and moved the am logo down a bit... you don't think that would look good?
<1> victori: you're having the 100% unit syndrome, same one jadacyrus is having
<4> so how do I resolve it?
<1> victori: 100% will be relative to the viewable area, so, if the image, a child of the Div, is larger than the viewable area, 100%, it will overflow the parent Div
<1> victori: well, easy, do not use 100% :)
<1> and let the IMG in it expand it
<1> or shrink it
<4> so just remove width period?
<1> yes
<4> it still does not apply to it
<1> then, there's more than just 100%
<1> victori: got an url?
<4> sec
<1> ***? yes please
<4> http://pastebin.ca/169756
<1> huh
<1> victori: how about an actual non-working page? :)
<1> so, I can see what you mean
<4> oh its a project, i don't want to release it just yet
<4> a web utility actually
<0> damn host is down for maintenence
<0> what timing
<1> well, the paste won't do much good really
<4> ok fine
<4> sec
<0> ill get back to you on this one commandprompt!!
<1> since there can be many other reasons, 100% on the div is definitely not IT though
<6> eMg|JTyler: whoever wrote this page should be shot!
<2> agreed
<4> http://lamer0.com:8090/main/retrieve/149
<4> notice it
<1> no
<1> :)
<4> thats odd
<2> is it fixable Bob
<1> I see the boxes and stuff
<4> it expands if it is absolute
<4> if it is relative it does not
<1> but not sure what I should be looking for
<4> what the hell
<1> hehe
<7> I see a vertical scrollbar in FX1.5, as well
<4> this is a bit stupid
<4> you need to use relative/absolute/fixed to use zindex
<4> I just want to use z-index with "center"
<1> .
<1> victori: z-index only works with positioned boxes, yes
<4> any possible way to center a positioned box
<1> and is not really stupid, since static positioned boxes in the normal flow have only 1 z-index they all are on
<4> based on the crap inside of it
<4> without javascript hacking
<6> eMg|JTyler: the twit cuts the background into a million and one pieces.. but can't be arsed cutting two icon images up!!
<6> it's like he's MAKING more work for himself
<6> eMg|JTyler: got a graphics program handy?
<2> yes
<2> what time zone you on Bob
<6> GMT+10
<2> I have to leave for a bit
<2> your EU
<6> want to take the "create user" button, and slice off one vertical column
<6> no, AU
<2> AU cool
<2> our Team won all of AU
<6> ?
<2> professional eSPorts team
<6> ok
<2> so its mid day
<2> maybe I Can make it back
<2> before you leave
<8> how can i put a border around the dimensions of the DIV?
<8> not what is inside of the div
<6> `css vertical-align
<9> css vertical-align: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-vertical-align , http://phrogz.net/css/vertical-align/index.html
<8> is that for me?
<6> Maticode: you're not making a lot of sense...
<6> Maticode: how does "border" not to what you want?
<8> i have positioned divs everyone with absolute
<8> and i want to see them
<8> to make sure it is all lined up right
<1> hehehe
<1> methinks he's after box-sizing property
<1> to ADD a border to a box without ADDing to its explicit width/height
<6> I think he's after the "Outline Block Elements" feature of WebDeveloper
<6> ah
<1> since padding/margin/borders do ADD to the box dimensions
<8> how can i make something fill it's div perhaps?
<8> or does divs not have boundaries
<1> till box-sizing comes along :), which Opera does it already iirc and moz does it with -moz-box-sizing
<6> CommandPrompt: what's that text-??? that lets me use smallcaps?
<7> ... or what IE already does in quirks mode..
<8> so what are divs good for
<1> `css font-variant @ FunkyBob
<9> FunkyBob, css font-variant: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-variant
<6> Maticode: marking logical divisions of your content
<6> CommandPrompt: thanks
<8> so perhaps i can just make a box the same height and width of the div
<5> how do I get rid of the flicker issue one rollover bg images?
<8> since i know the height and width
<1> Maticode: you want a border that doesn't increase the Div dimensions, right?
<6> cronin: the flicker from loading the other image?
<8> right
<5> FunkyBob: yea
<6> cronin: make both images one, and use background-position to select which to show
<1> Maticode: ehhe, only way is using 2 divs :), the outter one with the dimensions and the inner one with the border WITHIN the outter dimensions :)
<5> FunkyBob: thanks
<8> perhaps i'll get rid of divs all together
<1> Maticode: you just give the inner height: 100%;
<8> and just use boxes
<8> i only needed divs for ajax purposes
<1> Maticode: divs are boxes
<1> `abbr boxes
<8> unless ajax works with anybody
<8> when i put an image in the size of the div, it is ok
<8> but a box with the same size of the div won't be?
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