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<0> its the globe in the top right
<1> Oh, the watermark?
<0> yea, i took a quick look at it, wasn't what i though the second time
<2> ;support @media
<3> FunkyBob: media { IE 6: I (Defaults to "all", should default to "screen") | IE 7: I (Defaults to "all", should default to "screen") | Firefox 1.5: I (Defaults to "all", should default to "screen") | Opera 9: I (Defaults to "all", should default to "screen") } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_html.php#support-html401-link
<4> can an item have two backgrounds? i.e. i want a background aligned left and another aligned right
<4> image that is
<0> huh
<2> no
<4> didn't think so
<2> not on the one element
<2> of course, you can have the other background on a sub-element...
<2> child element, even
<2> anyone know why IE may be ignoring my @media print {} ?
<1> FunkyBob: linky linky!
<2> Flannel: tricky.... hmmm
<0> !v www.we-aid.org
<5> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.we-aid.org/
<5> CSS: Valid - Warnings: 93, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.we-aid.org/
<0> wtf
<0> 93 warnings?
<2> just wondering if there's any basic things to avoie
<2> avoif
<6> Holy ****. Have any of you heard of SVG?
<2> JediKirby: years ago
<1> JediKirby: um... yeah, why?
<2> JediKirby: why?
<6> I want it now.
<1> cronin: nothing wrong with warnings
<1> JediKirby: it is 'now'
<6> Is it supported?
<2> by FF and Opera
<2> and IE with a plugin from Adobe
<6> Bah
<6> Not good enough.
<1> *whin*
<1> er, whine, even
<2> no... IE is not.
<6> IE is a bastard child.
<1> JediKirby: that's as close are youre going to get, until IE8
<6> Not even 7?
<1> Nope
<6> Bastards!
<1> MS doesn't care about SVG, theyre writing their own
<1> Why use standards when you can write a proprietary version?
<6> The concept of code built graphics makes my pants sticky.
<2> why use existing standards when you can "innovate"?? :P
<1> FunkyBob: what's not being applied to the print stylesheet?
<2> Flannel: p.dontprint { display: none; }
<1> FunkyBob: which css file is that?
<2> eh?
<2> the only one in the page ... @media print { p.dontprint { display: none; } }
<1> FunkyBob: which css file is it in?
<1> FunkyBob: I don't see it on the page
<2> Flannel: on what page?
<2> I didn't paste any links
<1> oh, Psh. You never gave a bloody link
<2> really odd thing was IE didn't show the paragraph padding on the screen, but did when printing
<2> in fact... now that I look closer
<2> the printed form is identical to the page completely sans styling
<6> I want vector graphics as webstandards.
<1> FunkyBob: PASTE LINK good god man
<1> JediKirby: they are web standards
<6> Why the hell aren't vector graphics web standards?
<2> Flannel: client privacy issues, FFS!
<2> JediKirby: they are
<1> FunkyBob: fine, don't ask for help here then.
<2> Flannel: as I said... I was looking for anything along the lines of "IE doesn't support @media print" or something
<1> FunkyBob: no, it does. You must be doing it wrong, or something similar.
<2> yeah, as I said... I just noticed it's not applying styles AT ALL to the printed document
<6> How are they?
<6> I can't scale a web browser and the graphics scale
<6> To make a website that is COMPLETELY the same on all browsers
<6> That'd be perfect.
<2> JediKirby: vector graphics were too CPU intensive in "the early days"
<6> It's not the damn early days anymore!
<6> Enough with the CSS bull****!
<2> JediKirby: did I tell you about my workmate who things the web should run on TeX? :)
<1> JediKirby: SVG is not a CSS replacement
<6> I didn't say it was
<6> Think about it, if the entire web experience was graphical
<6> Similar to flash, but not... stupid
<6> In that if you have a higher or lower screen res, you see an IDENTICAL image of the site
<6> Like PDFs, but not... stupid
<2> Flannel: ah, found it... whomever wrote this originally had put media="screen" in the link
<6> It'd be like a lot of things without the padded helmet and restraint belts.
<1> JediKirby: the problem with scaling to their res, is it means people with lowres screens get really tiny text
<6> GIVE THEM THEIR TINY TEXT, I SAY!
<7> hey folks
<7> i tried to do <span style="text-align:center; absolute-size:small;">
<7> but it doesnt make my text small
<7> what am i doing wrong?
<2> absolute-size??
<2> where'd you pull that one from?
<7> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#propdef-font-size
<2> `css absolute-size
<2> no no... you misunderstand
<2> you need to specify font-size:
<2> and one possible value is an absolute value
<2> which, if you look further down the page, they define
<2> font-size: small; should work
<8> arooni: what I normally do to control consistent font sizes is twofold:
<8> First, I set html body {font-size: 76%;}
<8> then in the html markup I have the following, nearly always: <body> <div id="Container">...</div></body>
<8> where everything goes inside the container div
<8> then in the css I set #Container { font-size: 1em;}
<8> thereafter all font-sizes in the document are relative to that.
<8> the reasoning behind this trick is that tests have shown this gives the most consistent font-sizes, both cross-browser, AND cross-platform
<8> there's a pissload of screenshots sampling this, here:
<8> http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/index.html and here http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/index.html
<2> WebDragon|away: how can you get a consistent font size if you start with relative to an unknown size?
<8> also in my baseline css I have all six H* sizes pre-set relative via ems, thusly: http://www.webdragon.net/miscel/skeleton.css
<8> interesting, is it not?
<8> but the thing is, it scales
<8> it's *particularly* useful if you also set your dimensions with ems
<8> then if you increase the font-size or decrease the font-size, the layout scales along with it
<8> >:-)
<2> WebDragon|away: it also tends to leave me having to zoom pages developed by people using IE
<8> FunkyBob: I suggest you look at the two links I pasted for extreme exposition on the topic
<2> because IE defaults to a much larger font size than FF
<8> FunkyBob: that's what this works around
<2> ok
<8> this way you don't wind up with people designing pages with fixed .px or .pt size fonts
<6> FunkyBob
<8> if you think the fonts are too small then set font-size: 1.1em in #Container
<6> I have an ich
<6> It's right next to my tailbone
<6> Be a doll...
<8> FunkyBob: what this also gets me is, since I set the H* sizes via ems, they are ALSO consistent cross-browser, cross-platform relative to the rest of the document's fonts
<9> when using floats inside another div, does the container div need to have postion:relative?
<8> (look at the link to the css I pasted above)
<8> NetLarIrvine: no
<8> if your float is escaping the div, be aware that this is *normal* behaviour
<8> since, when you float, or position something, you are removing it from the normal document flow
<8> NetLarIrvine: here: http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html scroll down to the 'floats in containers' section if you're too in a hurry to read the full explanation
<8> then, there's this: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html which lets you do the same without adding extra markup
<8> (such as nonsense like <div cl***="clearing"></div>
<8> :)
<8> more here: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/02/26/simple-clearing-of-floats/
<8> NetLarIrvine: best example in action: http://www.sitepoint.com/examples/clearing_floats/example2.php
<9> Yes, needed to use clear left
<9> What I was trying to do was make a two column layout , going down a section like , www.thecity.org
<9> thanks that help, got it to work, forgot about the clear property
<10> guys is it possible to have a 2-column layout that is 100% width weven though there is no filling content such as text, but only a 100% width form?
<10> I am getting the impression that the 100% width of a non-certainsized element is always depedning on filling contentis always depending on the
<10> oops
<11> can anyone tell me how to get my ads to the right side of my featured news, etc?
<11> decomlicate
<11> http://70.114.227.174/
<11> i have it set to float:right;
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