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<0> for a 1024 width
<1> Is that a problem ? if it looks ugly without css ?
<0> Anudhyan most definitely..
<2> No, because if the person has NO css.. all websites look ugly.
<2> So it doesn't matter.
<2> XD
<0> eh?
<1> Thats what I was thinking.
<3> Miles_Prower: that's total bull****.
<0> yeah.. you guys are both idiots
<3> Anudhyan: by looks ugly I ment that you see those pics, and they should not be there.
<0> try working the web via a text browser for a day or two
<3> exactly
<2> with a text browser you wouldn't see the pics.
<2> so it wouldn't matter.
<1> What do you suggest I should do ? is there a way to detect if css is supported or not ?
<0> but the content should be layed out in a clear and concise manner
<3> Llynix: http://zoffix.com if you nevermind the "style switcher" that is in beta state site looks fine with CSS and/or images disabled.
<2> Aye, it is.. or he's trying to.
<2> with a nice li.
<2> *ul/li you know.
<0> looks great in Lynx Zoffix :)
<1> @Zoffix: beautiful site...
<3> Anudhyan: you should make the site first and then style it. I'm working on http://zoffix.com/new/helenus/ right now.. see how most parts are still unstyled. It is much easier to work this way
<3> Llynix: thanks :) I worked hard on that since I remember the day when my X died and I needed a new driver and I had to ask people on IRC to give me a direct link since the site with the driver was a complete mess in Lynx :)
<0> hrmm.. I need to fix some alt tags on my site :)
<4> Llynix: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<1> I'm actually moving my previous site.
<3> AHA, in your face
<1> So all the content is catalogued and organised etc.
<0> I have to quit using stubs for alt 'attributes'
<0> bad form.. bad form :)
<3> BTW, What do you think about semantics on http://zoffix.com/new/helenus/ ? I'm basically converting http://www.helenus.com from invalid tabled layout
<2> Wow.
<2> so much faster loading.
<2> XD
<3> :)
<0> what's with the <span> </span>?
<2> Aye, i know. I went ahead and converted my forums to floating/float-termination method DIV's instead of tables
<2> it loads in 1/4 the time
<2> XD
<3> Llynix: IR, I'm actually going to use text-indent method since the client doesn't give a **** about a case when Images disabled and CSS is still enabled.
<3> ]ir @ Llynix
<5> Llynix, ir: www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/
<3> Miles_Prower: yeah, tabled layout 23KB markup and my code is 4KB :)
<3> +screen reader support +works with images disabled on my code :)
<2> I also use PNGGauntlet, do you?
<3> what's that?
<2> m***-conversion of PNG's to optimized format.
<2> shrink the color tables even.
<3> :/
<3> I use pngcrush if I need compression
<2> pngcrush is good.
<3> Is that a Windows tool you are talking about?
<2> yep.
<3> Ah, no wonder I never heard about it.
<2> uses pngout and determines optimum compression, then does it.
<2> also converts jpg, gif, bmp, etc.
<3> I'm pretty happy with PhotoShop's "Save For Web" thingie.
<2> or have it for that matter.
<1> I realised I can't change the buttons by editing the css file.
<1> ple***eee.. is there a way to do it in css ?
<3> Miles_Prower: what do you use?
<3> GIMP?
<2> Nah, Paint.Net whenever I rarely need to do a quick edit.
<3> heh
<2> think photoshop but without 600mb of filters.
<3> Never heard of it.
<2> does layers, transparency, etc..
<2> is free..
<3> so is GIMP
<2> Aye.
<3> and it's scriptable AFAIK
<2> runs faster than gimp on windows though
<3> There is GIMP on Windows too?
<1> I g2g now. bye.
<2> there's a port for it, yes.
<2> http://www.getpaint.net/ <--
<3> Well, on Linux it runs full speed I'd say :)
<2> and for gimp..
<2> http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/
<0> ahhh
<0> I read that whole article at mezzo blue and was still half lost..
<2> still, 3.6mb for all the art app I need. I think I'll stay
<0> then I read the original article link and they finally explaned WHY the heck they were doing it :)
<0> I'm reading through the whole thing thinking why not use an alt tag?
<4> Llynix: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<0> grr
<2> tag tag
<2> XD
<2> I wonder..
<2> alt isn't a tag
<2> see if it filters..
<2> heh.
<2> alt tag
<0> it probably matches "alt tag"
<4> Llynix: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<0> it probably matches "alt tag"
<4> Llynix: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
<3> ]bot ****
<2> Hmm.
<3> ]bot****
<5> Stop abusing the bot. Want to play? Most bots have /msg (for _ZofBot join #zofbot). Further playing will result in a kick or ban.
<6> Stop abusing the bot.
<0> hehe
<2> Oh, ok.. I'll stop talking about the alt tag
<2> So, for text users i should always set an alt tag so they have some text explaining the image?
<2> Hmm. most my images would be best to just dissapear.
<0> my images shouldn't say 'thumbnail'
<2> hehe
<0> unless it was a manicure site or somefin
<3> ]]alt attribute proper use inurl:w3c.org
<5> Nothing was found: ( http://tinyurl.com/ym9dpe )
<2> they go to a page and it's like.. thumbnail all over?
<3> Miles_Prower: they should decribe what's on the picture not what it is.
<0> probably should be something like "Small image of $title"
<2> I see. I keep getting validation errors, so I started just setting it as blank.
<2> XD
<2> What would be nice is if they could move that to CSS/
<3> :S
<0> I was probably just coding like crazy got lazy and just tossed in thumbnail
<0> I have another site where all of them are like NRPC Rodeo
<3> Miles_Prower: if most of your images would be best to just disappear than you have non-semantic markup
<0> it probably shouldn't be in the HTML should be in the css
<2> Aye, I'm fighting with my older pages to stuff everything I can into the CSS to take the size down.
<2> using as little inline style as I can
<2> Unfortunately, using php, I can't.
<7> hmmm
<2> Some things I do require inline, dynamically generated CSS.
<3> :/
<2> for artwork display to dissuade some of the nastier leechers?
<7> so I have an image followed by text followed by a line break, and then a div, and then an image. Both the images are set to position: absolute, left: -11px. When I hide the div, in Opera, the second image doesn't change position
<7> even though it should collapse
<7> since the div collapsed.
<2> I set the real image to the background-img of a div.
<7> works in FF and IE.
<2> then the div is held open with a 1px transparent gif, stretched to size of the original img
<2> XD
<2> rightclick? NO.
<3> ]irc url @ Palish
<5> Palish, Provide a live link: http://dorward.me.uk/irc/#context
<7> http://192.168.1.100/home/main , but it's all built with javascript.
<2> <img> tag scan and download? nope, just get the spacer.
<7> er
<7> www.cl***bug.com/home/main
<7> 192.168.1.100 won't be very useful to you ;)
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