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<0> or maybe display: block;
<1> erm, that makes a mess...
<1> http://c3x.net/design2/
<1> if i float them, they get ignored by the container entirely...
<2> i'm building a site for mobile devices, should I use basic xhtml or wml?
<0> no you apllied it to span, apply it to li
<1> ... if i make my li display: block, then its not displaying in a line like that any more, is it?
<0> god I hate navs
<0> let me toy with it
<1> http://c3x.net/design2/ <-- thats with everything floated left, and display: block on the span
<1> http://exploding-boy.com/images/cssmenus/menus.html# <-- the same way they are done there
<0> topnav a
<0> float left
<0> I dont know where the tab images go
<1> ?
<1> the tab images are background images....
<0> yeah but they seem to dissapear
<1> when you do what?
<1> i have float: left in #topnav a at the moment...
<1> if you refresh... you will see i now have a tab bar in the middle of nowhere...
<0> oh i see what you did
<1> not bound inside anything
<0> did you float topnav a right?
<1> no...
<0> try that
<1> floated it left..
<0> its on the right now...
<1> because now i have the problem that the a elements arent inside the li elements...
<1> :/
<1> yes
<0> well I cant really work on it as the images are url()
<1> even though the li's are floated left...
<1> http://c3x.net/design2/tab_left.png and http://c3x.net/design2/tab_right.png
<1> its funny - it all works great in the examples because they arent working within any other boundaries
<0> 'tab_left.png' why are they in quotes?
<1> erm... why not?
<1> isnt that how they are supposed to be done anyway?
<0> no
<0> I do url(img/bob.gif);
<1> refresh now - another perfect example of the box model rendering being stupid as hell
<1> really - what difference is there between quotes and no quotes?
<0> less code :p
<1> :/
<1> aaaanyway
<1> you see what i mean?
<1> i change the padding on the span, but not the a
<1> and the a no longer "contains" the span
<1> I want to shoot whoever came up with this method of rendering...
<1> they made it to cater to a very specific instance
<1> i.e. where the inside needs to be a fixed width without having to deduct the amount you are padding by...
<0> yeah I know
<1> do you agree they need to be shot? :o
<1> i just think, for something that is otherwise awesome - its just plain stupid!
<0> I see a sort of problem
<0> why do you have a div id topnav?
<0> why not name the ul topnav
<1> there is a problem with nested divs?
<0> might be
<0> and its just wrong for you to even have that
<0> look at my nav
<0> http://207.235.116.162/riyonuk4.css
<1> i did it because i was trying to get it to work exactly like the examples when i wasnt having much luck...
<1> didnt fix anything
<0> yeah but we have something less to worry about
<1> you have fixed height
<1> it would be piss-easy if i did it with fixed height
<0> meh
<0> why?
<1> but thats not a solution - theys pretending a problem doesnt exist
<1> if someone scales up the text on the site, it will break out of the nav tabs...
<1> the tabs wont expand with it
<1> mine expand perfectly
<1> but the box model is a piece of **** when it comes to padding
<1> you have a fixed font size too
<1> I'm trying to make mine a bit more accessible than that...
<0> mines perfectly acessible
<1> it doesnt scale properly...
<3> Hi all... I know my design is not CSS only, but does anyone have a clue why "this should be in the center" is NOT in the centercontainer on FF/Moz? I don't think that tables in div's generally don't work do they? http://new.billardcafe.at/index.php?id=9
<0> Xen0n: http://207.235.116.162/css.css
<0> use that in place of yours
<4> FloLeBlanc: Unrelated note: the XML thingy at the beginning of your file puts IE in quirks mode, which is bad.
<3> riczho: thx will check that
<4> And ahhh!
<4> `table stupid
<5> table stupid: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/everything.html
<0> FloLeBlanc: you dont have it in the right div
<4> Don't use tables for layout, use tables for tabular data.
<0> Im guessing it goes here --> <td cl***="centercont">
<0> correct
<0> riczho: we should make a count of how many times we say that
<3> yes it does and therefore it SHOULD be in centercontent.. but it isn't
<0> because you dont have it in there
<0> you have it in <td>this should be in the center</td>
<3> the table is in "centercontainer" but is displayed as if in "menu_right"
<3> (it actually is laid "over" menu_right, for whatever reason ever)
<1> Riyonuk, when you expand it, it expands from a fixed top-left and just walks over everything...
<0> its kinda hard to tell with your excessive amount of code
<3> yeah I know sorry
<0> with css you would have about 10 divs
<3> with CSS I for myself would not be able to do a layout with 3 columns which are equal in height and have a specified shade around them
<0> and why not?
<0> riczho: you there?
<0> or blind
<4> Oh- I'm here.
<3> "I for myself" --> tried to use shades and columns with equal height which are browser compatible a long time - wasn't able to get it to work
<3> there were always "use this hack" "use that hack"
<3> "it works without hacks this way but doesn't quite look like you need it"
<0> riczho: http://207.235.116.162/guide.txt , ***uming you know what gamefaqs is, if not doesnt matter, Im gonna make the ultimate html and css guide
<6> So what do you want it to look like FloLeBlanc ?
<0> he just want that text that says center, in the center
<4> Riyonuk: Ironic that you're doing the "ultimate html and css guide" in a text file.
<0> why?
<7> http://pastebin.bafserv.com/87
<4> Because it's about HTML/CSS.
<7> anyone see a problem with that css?
<0> oh, well doing it in html would take longer
<4> Heh.
<7> for some reason its attributes dont seem to be applying to the hyperlinked image
<3> what I acutally want to do is lay a shade to the left of the box from the bottom up to the "Allgemein" register, on the right from the top to the left corner and on the bottom of the box
<3> if this is possible with CSS I'm grateful for all suggestions
<6> MACscr: Apart from major redundancy, no
<4> MACscr: That's because you're applying styles to the link/container, not the image?
<0> riczho: the only trouble im having is what content to put in the guide, maybe you could make a table of contens for me?
<6> FloLeBlanc: Shades cannot be done with css. They can be done with background images though
<7> ah, duh
<7> good point
<3> munter: yes of course... but my problem is I need to PUT them there
<6> FloLeBlanc: Why is this a problem?
<3> and the left and right shade have to grow with the box
<3> I don't know how to put them there to make it work?
<6> grow with the box, meaning what?
<6> moving down?
<3> if you click on "allgemein", news, etc. you see the box size change
<4> Riyonuk: Hmm... I've never really thought much about how I'd make a guide for HTML/CSS. Exactly what is the function/target of this guide first?
<3> the shade has to be of equal height as the box is
<7> that didnt seem to make a difference, i tried moving that cl*** to the image, link, or td that its in and it made no difference
<6> FloLeBlanc: Now, I havent seen thelink yo the page you are talking about, so I am a bit blind here
<7> the border still doesnt show up
<0> to reach out to all the n00bs
<3> mac: http://new.billardcafe.at/index.php?id=9
<7> which i really dont want a border, im just trying to figure out why its not applying
<0> I got inspired when I showed latroman my site, and he commented about how the tutorials section wasnt working
<4> Riyonuk: So would it be a complete guide (as in teaching from scratch)?
<3> h munter sorry :)
<6> FloLeBlanc: aha, you mean the dropshadow?
<0> yeah
<3> Munter: there is no shadow yet I need one in the "Allgemein" bos
<3> box
<7> i have all kind of stupid gap issues im working on here
<7> http://absreport.com/beta/index.php
<7> user: beta
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