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<0> os_, css list-style-type: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type
<1> is_null: ^^
<2> ah thank you :)
<2> oh, this property is set to none
<1> ]irc url @ is_null
<0> is_null, Provide a live link: http://dorward.me.uk/irc/#context
<3> Look at the related elements and properties available
<2> sorry, but i really don't understand what property should it overwrite : http://82.240.220.118/php.cl***es/TMShop/index.php?keywords=test any idea please ?
<1> ]zip @ is_null
<0> is_null, Start every stylesheet with this: * { margin: 0; padding: 0; }. You'll save yourself the confusion over quite a few strange element and browser spacing differences later on. * == http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#universal-selector
<1> is_null: you've said you got all margins/paddings set to zero and you've LIED! did it even come to your head to try: ul{margin: 0;padding: 0;} ?!
<1> geee
<2> ah, sorry, i have almost been up for 30 hours now ...
<1> is_null: then go to beD!
<1> Alright! I fixed the stupid IE bug that I wanted to fix and the score is: Zoffix:5435 IE:6 I'm off to bed
<1> adios
<4> hey guys im working with a couple of graphics at the moment , whats the best way to get 3 identical images lined up on a page, and have them look the same in any kind of browswer
<4> i had them lined up
<4> but if i tried in a different browswer stuff would not look right
<5> It seems that css overrides attributes like width= height=....is there any case when this isn't the case?
<6> adio: define "lined up"
<4> i want them to be centered on the page with 1 on each side of the middle graphic, there all the same graphic
<4> if that makes any sense
<5> <table id="tbl" border="0"> vs. #tbl {border:1px solid #000000}
<7> (Don't use tables)
<5> (if it's spreadsheet data? ;)) anyway, just an example to asking about my question
<5> -to asking
<8> gza i usually avoid as many elements attribute as i can, it's always better specify all the elements properties in the css
<8> of course you can use the attribute like href, alt, cl***, id and a few others
<5> Taggnostr: sure but in this case I want to override element attributes with css. In which cases doesn't this work?
<9> gza, its best not to use any presentational attributes at all
<10> Any comments on the 3 prototype designs @ http://petereide.name/gr ?
<8> gza you can also use internal and inline css, the priority is this inline > internal > external
<8> so if you use an inline style it will override the external css one
<10> Any preferences between the designs?
<8> i like the first one
<10> great, thanks.
<9> pjeide, the second one is very hard to read, the third one has a hard to locate navigation
<5> I know. I'm working on a project where we're using a lot of files that are written in the late 90's. tables with bgcolor border cellspacing etc... I don't have the time right now to trim all that crap out, so I'm wondering if I can just override that stuff with an external css file in the mean time?
<10> Zeros: really, you think nav on 3rd is have to locate? I thought icons might make it stand out
<8> the third seems a little empty, the second is nice too, but it has nothing special and the top right menu is confusing
<10> if i go with first one I'll also refine the navigation
<9> pjeide, the three buttons at the top on the left, there rather burried in the image there
<10> Zeros: Ah, I see. thanks
<10> thanks for your comments
<9> the clouds also look odd as they end abruptly next to the heading text in the third one
<8> gza, i don't know what is the priority in this case, you should do some test. btw you might use !important in the css, but you will have to remove them all when the html will be fixed
<9> I'd like the third one more if the navigation was easier to locate, and the clouds/blue sky went all the way across the top
<10> Zeros: I'd love to be able to do that, but the original photo isn't large
<10> I might be able to hack it together
<5> Taggnostr: so far it seems that attribute width and border on tables get overridden by css. Eventually even the tables will be converted to divs but that's a bigger project.
<9> gza, so why use the border attribute at all?
<8> i know, first move that properties in the css, then use the elements for what they are supposed to do
<8> in some case it's better to do it in the same time
<8> ie, is useless to lost time writing a css for a table if you have to replace it with something else
<5> Right now I'm cleaning the tables of attributes and adding id= or cl***= and then using css to format. Multiple nested tables are tough to weed through, hence why I'm doing this later.
<5> Ideally I just convert the whole thing to semantic xhtml and css
<5> but time constraints don't really allow me too
<5> to
<11> yeah, that'd be fine... if you didn't want to support IE
<5> FunkyBob: talkin to me?
<11> yes
<11> IE doesn't actually support XHTML yet
<11> how bizarre is that? They were first to support XML... and last for XHTML
<5> how does it not support it?
<11> try serving it with the XHTML mime-type some day
<5> my xhtml pages look fine (after a few tweaks)
<11> IE pretty much treats it as odd-looking HTML
<5> well it's not being served that mime type
<8> you serve them with the wrong mime tipe (probably text/html)
<11> so you're using XHTML 1.0?
<11> it's "valid" to server 1.0 as text/html... but not 1.1
<11> can't remember the link.... RTFS has an entry to a good page on it
<11> `xhtml
<12> xhtml: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs
<11> `xhtml-advocacy
<11> blah
<11> Zoffix knows it
<8> http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
<5> how about ie7?
<8> same ****
<5> yeah ie7 is a total let down
<8> i read somewhere that ie7 can handle xhtml, but it doesn't do it for default
<5> they didn't even have the same css support as most of the other browsers out now firefox/safari
<5> you'd think that a company as wealthy as MS would come out with a new browser that had css3 css4 support
<13> Taggnostr: no, it cannot
<13> gza: CSS3 isn't a standard yet, let alone CSS4
<8> btw ie7 is the one that supports the ruby css3 property
<13> gza: and besides, MS rides on anti-interoperability, they'd lose tons of browser marketshare by supporting standards
<5> Flannel: I'm just saying that after this long wait I expected more. ie7 is basically bug fixes + tabs + rss
<13> gza: its less bug fixes, and more tabs + rss, yes.
<8> and some newer bug too :P
<13> gza: it's enough for them to claim "look! we're working towards standards" for those people who care (and are gullible), and then enough for them to say "look everyone! shiny!"
<14> Uhmm. I want to have two divs covering the whole page; one at the left, and one at the right. How do I do that?
<14> I know it sounds simple, but I cannot achieve it.
<14> I don't want to use float.
<8> why you don't want to use float?
<14> Because I don't know how to do it, and I'm trying whatever comes to my mind :)
<14> (and whatever I found in w3schools' site)
<8> using float is the right way, and the easiest too
<8> ]w3schools
<0> Errors, omissions, deceit. Stop reading them! http://www.w3schools.com/flash/flash_inhtml.asp
<8> :P
<8> btw you want them with fixed or variable width? or both of them?
<14> Taggnostr: I'd like to set a percentage.
<14> ie. 60% | 40%
<14> I want them to cover the whole page.
<8> on the net there are lot of example of how to use floats for two columns layout
<13> er, you don't know how to do it, but you know you don't want to use floats?
<8> ]float tutorial @ crazy2k
<0> crazy2k, float tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/ , http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html
<14> Flannel: Thought it wasn't the right way, since I don't want to cover one div with the other.
<14> Ok. Thanks
<15> I wrapped a div in firefox like so <div id=parent><div id=child1>content...</div><div id=child2>content...</div><div id=child3>content...</div><div id=footer>content</div> all the child divs are floated left. Then i cancelled them with clear but the problem is if i place the content inside it expands over the footer div instead of pushing it down. Anyone know how to correct this?
<15> </div> to close the parent is there too
<13> `float contain
<12> float contain: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html http://complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
<13> Blabba, that's for you, BTW
<15> thanks
<5> When do headers end? h1 h2 h3 up to what hn?
<16> Hi there.
<13> gza: h6
<5> night.
<17> hello all
<17> anyone around?
<14> Agh. I'm a crappy designer. Could someone take a look at this and give a suggestion? http://190.48.141.142/sites/tel4/
<17> How do I wrap text within a div element?
<17> My text is expanding the div.
<18> give the div a width
<17> I did
<17> http://www.sovietpc.com/portfolio/
<17> see?
<14> 'right' is not a good name for a cl*** :)
<17> heh
<17> good enough ;)
<17> sparr, what do you suggest?
<14> Really, you shouldn't use names which conditionate the design. You should refer to contents.
<14> Joseph: Tried with something smaller than 200px?
<8> text-overflow?
<14> BTW, if someone could see my page I'd really appreaciate it :)
<8> or just overflow, it depends, what do you exactly want to do?
<10> crazy2k: just looked at your pag
<10> crazy2k: what are you trying to accomplish there..?
<14> pjeide: It's an address book. In the future, when you select a name the "popup" at the right will display information from the person.
<14> pjeide: I'm writing a new version from scratch, and I'd like to have a nice layout this time.
<17> Taggnost, I want it to go to a new line when it reaches the end of the div.
<8> as i know you can't do it if the word is larger than the div
<8> it doesn't break the word in two parts, but maybe there is some property that does it and i don't know
<14> pjeide: So, no ideas?
<10> crazy2k: try mocking the layout up first before you go straight to web
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