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<0> The browser on those palm life drives was horrible last I used it. Didn't let you turn off CSS, mangled the hell out of pages that had no mobile stylesheet, no image scaling, couldn't turn images off
<0> :/
<1> paotzu: yeah... we tried to load MiniMo, but... it just flat out didn't work
<1> and we couldn't justify paying for Opera
<0> well yay Free Opera now eh?
<1> Zeros: for WinCE/PocketPC?
<0> FunkyBob, oh that I don't know
<2> um, isn't it like $60 a license
<0> I figured since they made the Desktop version free the other one would be too
<0> guess not, boo Opera then
<1> hell no... there's still money in the mobile market
<0> ah
<3> there's money anyplace you can sell something for more than it cost you to provide it
<3> which is any market
<2> they sell the different versions of opera for different architectures for $24 a pop
<0> Well WebKit may very well run on mobile devices in the coming months. They're busy moving all the OS X specific code into separate modules and abstracting the WebCore APIs
<4> I thought it already was.
<4> Nokia S60
<4> maybe it's still in development...
<0> maybe
<1> can't seem to find Opera for PocketPC/WinCE
<0> Apollo will use Webkit too, so I'll probably be on loads of Windows machines as well
<2> FunkyBob: http://www.opera.com/buy/?show=mobile
<4> Zeros, here it is: http://s60.com/business/productinfo/applicationsandtechnologies/webrowser/
<3> webcore was already ported
<1> I tried a Win32 WebKit based browser for a while
<1> it was very alpha
<3> they've been working on the rest, which constitutes webkit as a whole
<0> ah okay
<3> swift... _very_ alpha :p
<3> probably all it ever will be
<0> I know I see messages on the source list about moving code around and into the OS X modules and porting code from ObjC to C++ often
<1> though I understand Qt4, and its new license, will make it easier to port Konq to Win32
<2> heh, konqueror for win32...
<1> Zeros: I saw do the world a favour, and move all the C++ to ObjC :)
<2> they should port KDE to win32
<1> paotzu: with KDE4, that shouldn't be too difficult
<3> paotzu: ...they are
<0> FunkyBob, I wish they could :(
<0> ObjC is so much more elegant
<2> wow really? that would be sweet, kde on top of vista...
<1> Zeros: I'm all for it
<1> and I still haven't really learned ObjC
<4> FunkyBob, Swift would have been the Win32 browser. They're up to 0.2.
<5> So say you have an HTML table and there are several rows for each date. What's the "correct" way to put some space between the rows for day 1 and the rows for day 2?
<1> webben: yeah, could be
<4> FunkyBob, It's run by a guy who's still only 16 so I wouldn't expect too much too fast.
<2> damn, then I could get people to play gnulactic konquest on windows without having to ssh into my machine
<5> I tried putting some margin on the last <tr> but that did not good.
<0> webben, are they still working on Swift?
<0> I had the impression it was stalled
<5> I can put padding-bottom on the tds in the last row but that's kind of icky.
<1> bakert: yeah... by default <tr> is non-rendered, so it can't have margin/padding
<3> bakert: border-bottom
<5> FunkyBob, What would you do? Have a separate row?
<1> I'd listen to reisio
<4> Zeros, It's not entirely stalled.
<5> reisio, border-bottom? what and color it the same color as the background?
<4> Zeros, e.g. bits keep getting added to the website
<3> bakert: there you go, answering your own questions
<4> Zeros, and there will eventually be svn access to the source
<5> reisio, FunkyBob, never done it like that before but it does make sense. thanks chaps.
<0> webben, nice. Hopefully by the end of this year WebKit will be Mozilla quality in terms of rendering.
<0> Its coming a long long way from 1.3->2.0
<1> anyone tried out the nightly rolls of FF3?
<1> I've heard the new rendering engine is quite an improvement
<1> speeds AND compliance wise
<0> The Reflow branch should be rockin', but no I haven't tried it yet
<3> FunkyBob: it better be
<3> two versions now they've been ****ing things up
<0> Fixes an enormous amount of float related bugs in the 1.5 engine.
<0> That's Gecko 1.8 or 1.9? I can't really remember
<4> I haven't actually noticed much difference. (I sometimes use Minefield to test Orca.)
<3> whale testing is mean
<4> but maybe I'm just not surfing to places where I would notice
<6> hey - anyone got any ideas how I can make teh sidebar here play nicely in IE, I'm using min-height, but IE's not stretching the column http://optimeduk.com/site/pages/products/i-Vue/
<1> heh
<3> jben_mbp: IE#?
<1> @
<7> (optimeduk.com...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/3cbstl ) CSS: E: 10 ( http://tinyurl.com/yr2hst ) DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Trans + url (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8, text/html; charset=UTF-8)
<1> min-height? Doesn't IE treat "height" as min-height?
<0> The @ command makes the bot validate the last link in the channel eh?
<3> FunkyBob: depends on the version
<3> sorry, it depends on the version on whether or not min-height works :p
<3> jben_mbp: hello?
<6> sorry, was fixing that bug!
<5> I have a <tr cl***="foo"> that sometimes needs also to have the text in red. There's already a cl*** there. Are there any good options for also making color: red be true for everything in the row on some rows?
<3> bakert: some rows?
<2> add another cl*** to cl***=
<5> reisio, when the balance is negative the whole row should be in red.
<5> paotzu, you can do that?
<6> I need a min-height fix for IE6 and 7
<3> jben_mbp: what's wrong in 7?
<8> jben_mbp: height in IE6 does the same as min-height in everything else.
<1> <tr cl***="foo bar baz">
<0> jben_mbp, height in IE7 is min-height
<0> err IE6 rather
<0> I think that might be true in IE7 too, did they fix that?
<3> doubt it
<3> but they added some support for min-height
<5> paotzu, how do you give a row two cl***es?
<3> bakert: FunkyBob said
<6> reisio: just made a change to my IE7 sheet, is it ok now??
<3> jben_mbp: you tell me
<5> reisio, ah sorry missed that. is that legal then? god, i know nothing!
<0> bakert, cl***="one two three" and so on
<3> bakert: yes
<5> wow i should have known that for years. thanks everyone.
<3> cl***="two one three" and so on
<2> bakert: lol
<6> reisio: I can't tell - I don't have access to IE7
<3> jben_mbp: why not?
<5> paotzu, you don't want to KNOW how many webapps i've written without knowing that!
<6> cause I use a mac, and have not got a copy of XP
<9> Quick Q, anyway to have a bg-image scale to fill the element?
<3> jben_mbp: you can use ies4linux on a mac
<6> _mbp == MAc Book Pro
<6> oh
<3> Tetraboy: http://reisio.com/temp/stretch/
<6> didn't know that!
<5> ies4linux is very good. or at least i have ie6 running under ubuntu thanks to it.
<3> jben_mbp: 1min
<6> sure, just gonna get a drink
<3> ]ies4linux % reisio
<2> bakert: unfortunately, I find that ie7 (alpha) for linux works better than the ie7 for windows
<5> !
<2> bakert: I am still surprised when I sit down at an ie7 machine and my body text is pushed over off of the screen
<2> bakert: er... vista machine with ie7
<5> god. browser incompatabilities. now i work for a company with no customers i no longer have to worry about it. praise be.
<3> jben_mbp: http://wang.yuxuan.org/blog/2006/11/3/how_to_install_ie_in_mac_via_darwine
<2> I love programming intranet web apps for the joy of not using ie
<5> depends on whose intranet i suppose. where i used to work it was ie all the way.
<5> yeuch
<3> jben_mbp: and use this ies4linux tarball http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-2.5beta5.tar.gz
<6> cheers
<2> bakert: I just push desktop icons that shortcut to "firefox https://webaddress"
<0> How are you going to use ies4linux on a mac?
<3> desktop icons :p
<3> desktop icons are for people without keyboards
<3> Zeros: read up
<5> paotzu, cunning. i used to work for a company with 65,000 people in about 50 countries. i was glad when they could all see the apps!
<5> paotzu, pushing something or changing ANYTHING a whole 'nother kettle of fish!
<4> Zeros, http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2006_11_30_how-to-install-ie6-on
<0> oh, using darwine
<3> yes, usine wine
<2> bakert: crappy infrastructure if you can't request to push something
<0> heh, shame they never really got the x86 emulator part of darwine working for ppc users
<2> bakert: I worked at a place like that... they used thick clients for everything, really annoying
<2> bakert: half of their stuff was still in delphi... the world is changing though
<3> now if only there were a simple way to install stupid ****ing Mac OS proprietary **** on other OSes
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