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<0> thanks for the attempt to help :) gotta go now
<1> does anyone know about these behavior files?
<2> whic behavior files?
<1> I don't know I have seen some css files that call these behavior files
<3> behavior? .htc?
<1> yes yes
<3> What about them?
<1> know where I can get some info on them?
<2> my first question is "what the **** are they?"
<4> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/components/htc/reference/htcref.asp
<3> They're things to force IE into doing what you want
<1> KTQuest yes that's what I want to do
<2> Acs: don't we all.....
<3> I.E. you can apply styles and have them behave the same...but it involves coding, so it's not just CSS
<5> http://www.zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort <--- Why doesn't my box have an outline?
<1> KTQuest I know
<2> so, instead of fixing their browser, they instead implement something entirely more complex?
<3> Which box?
<5> #box
<2> !v http://www.zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort
<6> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/
<6> CSS: Not valid - Errors: 3, Warnings: 2, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/
<3> It wasn't implemented to fix the browser, it was implemented for OS specific things I think
<5> It's supposed to have curved outlines
<3> And just happens to work on the web
<5> It's telling me box-shadow and border-radius aren't real...
<2> they aren't
<2> at least, not in CSS2
<5> Bah! You're right
<5> CSS3
<7> "JROCK2004" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "Why is it that my left and right and mid columns are not centered" (121 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/2581
<5> So there's no way to make rounded edges with styles?
<5> That ****s.
<7> can someone help me with that?
<3> With styles and JS...but with just CSS2, no
<2> JROCK2004: with what?
<3> he put it in black text
<7> I am trying to fix my page it got messed up and cannot fix
<5> is it slow to do it with Javascript?
<3> Not with the available libraries, if I remember correctly.
<7> for some reason the mid left and right column is to the left and not centered as before
<5> Any good references to get me started, KTQuest? I really don't want to apply shadows and rounded edges graphically. It's a headache and a half
<8> "JROCK2004" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "Why is it that my left and right and mid columns are not centered" (121 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/2582
<5> bah, link JROCK2004
<7> http://www.jrock2004.net/index3.html
<7> sorry guys and gals
<5> You want it all centered?
<7> http://www.jrock2004.net/ that is the old way
<7> I want the new page to have same style as old one
<5> because everything's floating left...?
<7> should I change to float center?
<5> try it
<5> Lets see what it looks like
<7> take a look at http://www.jrock2004.net/index3.html still same
<5> ok, here's what you're going to do
<9> JROCK2004, 1: why is all your style on the actual page instead of in a css, 2: why you using iframes, 3: menus should really be in a ul/li
<7> Keloran I have the menus in ul
<7> I am just learning css so I did not know to put in seperate page
<9> ahh yeah, woops got lost in the style and blanked out the rest of the page i guess
<7> ok if I make a css style page, how do I reference it in index file?
<9> <link src="link to file" type="text/css" />
<7> do I put in head tags?
<9> e.g. src="css.css"
<9> yeah
<5> ok, JROCK2004
<5> We're going to redo this whole thing so it works nice
<5> Because I have no idea how the hell you came up with that mess
<5> No offense
<9> lol
<7> no problem
<7> I am making an index.css file now
<5> lets start out with a fresh new page.
<9> JediKirby, if your gona do it properlly get rid of the container, body is its own container
<5> I know
<5> I know, trust me
<5> JROCK2004
<5> Lets go PM
<7> ok PM me
<5> can you see what I'm typing to you?
<7> no
<5> You must have PMs shut off, or something
<5> :-/
<7> I am using trillian
<7> hang on
<5> You even said "are you there?"
<5> And I'm like "uh... yeah"
<7> I did not see anything return to me
<5> hah
<5> Well damn. Try to find an option to turn on PMing
<5> I stopped using Trillian for IRC a long time ago
<5> So buggy
<5> And no mIRCode!
<9> you do know you have to be registed to pm on Freenode right
<7> I am registered
<5> >.> <.<
<5> Hang on
<5> I think I found a cord unplugged, or something
<5> Oh, there we go
<10> Evening all
<2> morning
<10> =-)
<10> brb
<10> nvm I'm off to watch tv
<5> Why isn't this footer staying at the bottom: http://zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/test/test.html ?
<2> !v http://zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/test/test.html
<6> HTML: Not valid - Error: 1, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/test/test.html/
<6> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort/test/test.html/
<2> looks to be at the bottom
<2> or do you mean the very bottom of the screen?
<2> it'll ignore the "bottom: 0" unless you use relative or absolute positioning
<5> I just noticed :-D
<5> I thought I had, but I must've ctrl+z'd it out by accident
<5> would my site be ruined if I didn't have my shadows? http://www.zentatsu.com/alwaysfallingshort
<5> Because I don't want to have to make a whole alt version for explorer
<11> JediKirby: are those shadows in PNG?
<12> yes
<11> you could always do this http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/
<12> http://www.backpackerboard.co.nz/images/hostels-newzealand.gif
<12> okay
<12> that's the worst wording ever
<13> i think they're trying to be funny
<12> claye: maybe
<12> since hostels are mainly targeted at young folk
<14> i'm doing a bunch of absolute position, so far it has worked out great. a problem enters when trying to anchor divs to the bottom of the page, they are way higher than the bottom of the page. anyone know what could be wrong?
<11> slicslak: not sure you can anchor to the bottom in IE
<15> I've got an issue, would love some help. I've just started using CSS for layout primarily, in place of tables, but I'm using a table cell for vertical alignement of a static-layout page. If I leave Explorer in Loose-DOC mode, it has that bug with CSS div margins going outside of the ***igned width, but if I use HTML-Strict I can't use the table to vertically align the div box in the page. Help? http://luvurself-fitness.com
<15> I'd be fine with ditching tables entirely, but that doesn't seem to be an option if I want that box centered vertically.
<16> so, age old problem
<16> you have a row of things that are icon, text, icon, text
<16> but your text sits at the bottom of your icon
<16> you want the text and image vertically aligned in the middle
<16> so some people (like myself in the past) use a table
<16> which allows vertical alignment
<16> but thats horrible
<16> whats the ccs way?
<17> put all the texts in <li>s in a <ul> and put background-images on the <li>s
<16> ok
<16> so use the icon as the bullet?
<2> tjs: line-height and vertical-align
<2> but yes, the "true" way is to make your list a list, and put the images as bullets
<17> tjs: maybe as the bullet, but background images are better supported AFAIK
<16> ah
<17> you should only use <img> if the image is content, not if it's decoration
<2> ;support before
<18> FunkyBob: :before { IE 6: N | IE 7: N | Firefox 1.5: I | Opera 9: I } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2pseudoelements-before
<17> ;support css list-style-image
<18> GarethAdams: list-style-image { IE 6: 62.5% | IE 7: 62.5% | Firefox 1.5: Y | Opera 9: Y } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2propsbasic-liststyleimage
<19> how do I change this to work just with cl***="c" ? input:focus { border-color:#02aa0f; }
<2> __Ace__: you mean <input cl***="c"> ?
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