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<0> generally I get better ping during the day before lunch time -- once USA evening closes in, there's too many people chewing up the bandwidth
<1> jazzman101, I dont understaand, you took the external style and embeded it in the html?
<2> yeah, how else can the stylesheet on your local machine work?
<1> using the link tag?
<2> no man
<1> to link the stylesheet residing on my local computer....
<1> eh? how do you develop using external stylesheets then? I'm confused.
<2> Briggs, the path to your stylesheet works on your local machine but not for the rest of the internet. How could it unless you set your computer up as a webserver
<1> jazzman101, thats why the link is using a relative path.
<2> we don't have access to your computer and there is no file /style.css on pastebin.org
<1> yes I realize that.
<1> but I did pastebin the contents of that file.
<3> is there a way to write ".blog a:link, .blog a:active, .blog a:hover, .blog a:visited" shorter ?
<1> and what I am saying is that I *do* have access to common/style.css on my system and its not working
<1> I use the style div.common as defined in the first pastebin link (part of styles.css) and it does not work properly for styling unless I do an inline style.
<1> which could only lead me to believe that there was something wrong with the html code itself in its use/refercing of styles.css.
<2> try type="text/css" and check for permissions if you're on a unix box Briggs
<1> ok
<1> funny thing is the external style for the body.common *does* work.
<1> jazzman101, no change
<1> aha
<2> aha?
<1> last property of a style should not be prepended with a ';' should it?
<2> every property needs a semicolon
<1> ok.
<4> hi guys, Im trying to figure out a problem here, http://www.phoenuxos.com/news.php if you take a look at the top menu there is a gap between the horizontal menu element and the header which I don't want. It comes up ok in FF but not in ie browsers, the easy fix was padding in FF.
<1> well anyway, there was a stray quotation mark that was mucking everything up
<1> thanks for looking :)
<5> @
<6> hi
<4> and just for measure @http://www.phoenuxos.com/news.php
<5> hi
<6> does anyone know how to remove scrollbars from a div in konqueror?
<6> hi funkybob
<5> aeroclown: I just did that
<4> :)
<7> (www.phoenuxos...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/yr9ats ) CSS: Network Error ( http://tinyurl.com/25wv2x ) DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Trans + url (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=iso-8859-1)
<4> I validated it last night but no one was around to help me
<8> howdy clowns!
<4> jigsaw has been insanely slow as of late
<4> howdy
<8> haha there is a clown in here :)
<5> aeroclown: why are you using a transitional doctype, can I ask?
<4> *shrugs* always do
<4> no particular reason, I just have been using that since I started moving away from tables and to css
<2> ]doctypes
<4> never can get away from them embeded one in cms stuff though
<5> ]doctype @ aeroclown
<7> aeroclown, Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended)
<5> your CMS forces a doctype on you??
<5> there's no base template you can fix?
<9> i can add a border to td and table but not tr ?
<10> One of the laws of the universe. CMS == vile nightmare that eats away prorgammers' minds
<5> myu: normally a tr is not visible
<5> chupacabra2: so it seems
<4> no no
<9> FunkyBob: ok
<10> Albeit there is nothing wrong with transitionalness
<2> chupacabra2, unless you code your own
<4> the entire site is not driven by a cms
<4> the only thing that is controled by a cms is the news content on the front page and it embeds the data
<10> Strict is a commitment to never breaking the rules. Few people can claim that :)
<4> using an include
<4> I havn't liked a whole lot of the cms systems I have played with they often do force a doctype
<4> and very few have enough documentation on creating useable themes
<5> still, not as bad as the poor woman last night
<5> whose "CMS" forced all sorts of absurdity... including highy non-compliant markup
<4> I think I could even edit the templates on the new manager to be divs instead of tables
<4> I just havn't goten around to it
<4> err wait no maybe I did
<4> it is using divs
<2> lol
<4> I swore I hadn't had a chance to update that yet
<10> Nothing feels as good as blessed goodness of divs
<10> Not spans, not dts, not uls. Those are for heretics. Only divs would bring sucess to your site
<2> ]semantics
<4> I need to pull out the styles on the credits and put them into the style sheet, I found an error there last night
<5> if you think modern HTML/CSS is "using divs"... you've entirely missed the point
<2> FunkyBob you seem to know how zofbot works what's the right command for ]semantics
<5> ]semantic
<7> semantic markup: http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/articles/semantics/structure/
<2> thanks
<10> FunkyBob: It is all about grinding your teeth into stumps while replicating a good old three-cell layout table with byzantine CSS constructs
<5> WFM
<5> most of the teeth grinding, I find, is a result of IE
<4> eee yup Id have to agree with that
<4> the sad thing is while I am fine with my site not working on ie
<4> People that run a company need that accessability
<4> so you are stuck
<5> sadly, yes
<5> I know some web devs who charge extra to support IE
<4> hmm I am looking at a friends screenshot, the issue looks worse in 7 then in 6
<4> its like 7 is ignoring my padding information all together
<11> aeroclown: what's your issue again?
<5> umm... why are you using a div to mark the selected tab, aeroclown ?
<5> surely a span would make more sense, since it's replacing an anchor
<11> good point. use a cl*** even
<5> also, you seem to have a scorching case of divitis
<11> leave the anchor alone but style the link with an additional cl*** so it doesn't look like one and doesn't change when hovered
<5> why have <div><strong> ... when <h1> would make sense?
<4> that stuff you are seeing FunkyBob is the news system
<4> that is not my code
<4> as for the upper tab
<5> well, whoever wrote that needs to be tortured
<4> I am using server side php to update the link set
<4> and I didn't think spans
<4> could be made into block elements
<5> is the issue a gap after the banner image?
<4> no its between the top link set and the header
<2> c u guys - happy styling
<5> so between #tlm (which seems to be a redundant div) and #header ?
<5> jazzman101: we're stylish people :P
<4> right
<5> aeroclown: is there a reason for that div?
<4> well
<4> originally capsule was not in the page
<5> in fact, #capsule seems redundant, too
<4> but If I remove the divsion labeled capsule, then something strange happens
<4> and the border that wraps around the the division holding the header
<5> have you got a test page we can meddle with?
<4> Wraps around the border holding both the menu and the header
<4> and the header pushes outside of its division
<4> I screwed around with it for quite a while and I could never find the cause
<4> the only time that it wouldn't do it, was if I didn't include the menu
<6> hm
<5> #capsule contains #tlm... #tlm contains the ul with the tabls...
<4> and yea I can move a copy of everything over to my server
<6> how do you auto enable the vertical scrollbar?
<5> phrearch: overflow ?
<4> right FunkyBob
<6> ehm, is that also for default scrollbars, even when its not needed?
<5> see, you could remove #tlm and style the ul directly
<5> they're both block elements, after all
<1> if you have two divs that you want to place one on 'top' of another, like two rows, whats the best way to do that such that there is no space between them?
<5> Briggs: <div></div><div></div>
<1> FunkyBob, that wouldnt put them on the same line?
<5> nope
<1> ok.
<5> Briggs: divs are block elements,... like paragraphs are
<1> ok.
<1> so to get columns in a div, you would nest some more divs in there?
<5> well
<5> you'd need something
<6> overflow:-moz-scrollbars-vertical;
<5> depends on what you're really after
<6> this is the one in ff
<5> phrearch: sounds plausible
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