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<0> and you
<1> just a question the <!--[if gte IE 6]> is very useful, but is there a way to use a <![else]--> ?
<1> in fact i'd like to use a code on IE and another code on others browsers
<2> enzo: Why don you use one code for all, and add an extra stylesheet for IE ?
<2> Your markup doesnt need to be browser specific
<1> i need it
<2> Really? Tell me why. I cant come up with a single good reason why you would want to differ markup for different browsers
<3> hi.
<3> is there a way to lock down certain objects like images in CSS?
<4> from TWiT? o_o
<5> Leo_Laporte: "lock down"?
<3> err as in make it unscollable
<3> like frames
<3> split the page to 2 parts
<5> Leo_Laporte: position : fixed?
<3> don't work in IE
<3> :S
<5> (not supported in MSIE <= 7)
<3> yeah
<5> Umm s/7/6/
<5> Thats how you do it in CSS. For IE 6 and lower you need JS.
<3> yeah
<3> any btw i am not from TWiT
<3> i wish i were.
<3> hell, i most likely won't be here in the first place.
<4> :P fake Leo
<3> i could hire someone to do it for me
<6> Does IE7 support CSS2?
<7> oticon6: It doesn't support CSS 2.1 very well. (57%) - http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#css2standards
<3> IE7 ****s
<4> At least it is somewhat of an improvement.
<6> Heh, hardly...
<6> Scrolling through this CSS standards list... M$ developers have done next to nothing }\
<6> :\*
<1> i can't add a margin or padding to a <label> ?
<1> i have <label style="display: block; padding-right: 30px; margin-right: 30px"> but there's no padding nore margin on FF (but it works on IE)
<8> did i do this properly (css) http://pastebin.ca/162353
<5> Leo_Laporte: Doctype missing. You're setting a border-style without changing the default colour and width (so you can't see it). bgcolor is either non-standard or deprecated and shouldn't be used. "FFFF" isn't a colour. That collection for form fields doesn't look like a paragraph. You should avoid XHTML without very good reason so lose the " /"s. Your form control labels should be marked up with <label> elements.
<6> Dorward: "You should avoid XHTML without very good reason"
<6> Reason being?
<8> Leo_Laporte isn't that the guys name that was on The Screen Savers show on techtv/g4
<5> oticon6: Because, with the exception of certain edge cases, it has no advantages and a number of problems which cause it to break if ever treated as XHTML instead of HTML, and most people fail to understand Appendix C and then wonder when they've got a blank page with a title in Internet Explorer when it fails to recover from the <script ... /> error.
<1> i have something different on IE and on FF (as usual...), here is the code: http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/div.html
<1> in IE, there's some kind of an extra <br> between the lines
<1> due to <div cl***="fake_help">, if i delete the latter it works
<5> !v http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/div.html
<9> HTML: Unable to validate http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/div.html: Could not contact validator
<9> CSS: Valid - Warning: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/div.html
<5> enzo: Hmm. Well you have syntax errors in the HTML.
<1> maybe, i've made a simple example of a page
<1> i check the code
<1> Dorward: in fact, i don't understand the error, w3c said </p> end tag element P which is not open
<1> but <p> is open
<1> i have <p><label><span>..</span><div>..</div><input></p>
<5> enzo: The end tag for <p> elements is optional. Paragraphs can't contain divs. So trying to open a div closes the paragraph by implication.
<1> ahh ok, i've changed <p> in <div> and all works now, really thanks
<8> how do you limit the css border to just wrap the text not the full screen?
<0> float it
<10> hallo ,could someone help me with the settings of the images borders in my site?
<10> here is the site www.pimenidis.eu
<10> I use phpmodules('left', -3) to export 4 divs
<10> and for each div I have one border image
<10> but it seems the width has some problem
<10> any help?
<11> shouldn't you go to a php channel
<11> since your html is automated via php
<1> another problem between IE and FF on : http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/div2.html, the fields are perfectly aligned on FF, but not on IE
<10> but setiing the width in css I have the images removing
<12> any opinions on Oreilly Web Design in a Nutshell?
<12> 3rd edition
<13> what's the html entity for this thingy here:
<1> in fact <div style="width: 18px; height: 18px; float: left; border: 0; margin: 0; padding:0"></div> doesn't seem to be equivalent to <img style="width: 18px; height: 18px; float: left; border: 0; margin: 0; padding:0"> on IE, any clue ?
<13> img is not a block element
<5> Floated elements are blocks.
<1> in fact, there's a slight space after the </div> on IE but not on FF
<11> matthughe: it'll have to be done with the unicode number
<1> so what can i do Dorward ?
<11> mmatthughe: or make it into a unicode document
<4> enzo: feed to only IE- margin-right: -3px; to the div
<14> Is it possible to create a template? Say I have a div and I want it centered. I can't use float because it will then ignore text-align. I need display: table-cell; which isn't supported by IE. So... is there any way to incorporate <table><tr><td>...</td></tr></table> into a cl*** (or element if possible I guess)?
<4> `centre @ oticon06
<9> oticon06, centre: http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/
<15> If you just want to center a div you can use the property margin: 0 auto;
<1> no other way ignorantcow you're sure?
<15> making the div less than 100% wide, naturally
<4> enzo: you could *not* use floats and do it the correct way using labels, but I'm too lazy right now.
<14> Thanks
<1> ok ignorantcow
<10> Could please someone ckeck if the coding in css http://hashmysql.org/paste/2516 is it right beacause the images borders it seems not to be allign very well www.pimenidis.eu
<10> ??
<16> !v http://www.pimenidis.eu
<17> nanana: People hate debugging table layouts
<9> HTML: Unable to validate http://www.pimenidis.eu: Could not contact validator
<17> nanana: Also, the XML declaration throws IE into quirks mode, which can cause problems
<9> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.pimenidis.eu
<17> nanana: IE6 and below, that is. It'll look different in IE7 because IE7 will put it in standards mode
<10> and how remove the quirks mode?
<17> Get rid of the XML declaration
<17> You probably shouldn't be using XHTML in the first place, but that's a discussion for another day
<11> hehe
<10> any stable solution to put images border in my modules?
<10> and not collapse in texts of the menus?
<17> Tables weren't designed for page layout, and thus they have lots of annoying issues that are often difficult to debug
<18> Hi ! How to place a image via css in dynamic contain when I just know the width ?
<10> I can't redesign the template in divs
<11> i do use tables for my generated no graphics simple data pages
<10> Do you have any link for template only with divs in that look?
<17> Tables are appropriate for logically tabular data, not sidebars and purely presentation-oriented grids and stuff
<11> Nanobot: which is of course exactly how i use them
<10> ok but could yoi give any solution to my problem???
<11> makeing well ... tables of data :)
<18> Nanobot: when page is dynamicly generated you still use CSS ?
<19> Nanobot: what would you use instead of the XML declaration then?
<17> _AxL_: Oh course. Why wouldn't I?
<17> swima: Nothing. Don't use XHTML. It isn't well supported.
<19> Nanobot: so which DOCTYPE you use?
<17> HTML 4.01 Strict
<11> html4.01
<18> Nanobot: Do you dynamicly generate CSS code ?
<19> Nanobot: hmm - then the layout of my pages changes with IE again :(
<19> +struggling
<17> _AxL_: It depends on what you're talking about. Usually the rules would already be in the CSS. If I need to do styling that I can't easily do with cl***es and stuff, such as moving objects and whatnot, I use Element.style.whatever
<17> swima: If you use XHTML sent as text/html (the only way IE supports it, in which case it actually treats it like regular HTML tag soup), all you're effectively doing is cause more variation and unexpectedness in how browsers display your page.
<17> And most of the variation is often overlooked
<1> another weird thing: http://www.source-rh.com/~despatis/map.html is correct on FF, not on IE
<17> For example, Firefox may display it two different ways depending on the situation. It'll usually handle it like HTML, but in certain situations it may turn around and treat it like real XHTML, in which case you get differences and possibly the page won't even display at all
<18> Nanobot: I need to do a html page for presenting some restaurant (dynamic) with logo, title, tiny description, full description, pictures etc .. Would you suggest me to use CSS instead of tabs ?
<1> when i float a <li>, it seems to delete the list-style-image on IE...
<19> Nanobot: ok - so you recommend to use no DOCTYPE at all?
<17> _AxL_: "Instead of tabs"? What do you mean?
<20> Is there something like Color Wheel Pro for linux?
<17> Instead of tables?
<19> Nanobot: or HTML 4.01 strict
<17> swima: HTML 4.01 Strict
<18> Nanobot tables I mean
<17> Just don't use XHTML. It isn't well supported
<19> Nanobot: ok - thanks ...
<17> _AxL_: No. Tables should never ever be used solely for presentation purposes. It should only be used when you have actual spreadsheet-like *data* on the page.
<17> Always remember that HTML elements should convey *meaning*, not presentation. You should pick your HTML elements without any regard to default presentation, and then handle presentation with CSS.
<18> Nanobot: ok ... I searched the web but did not find a tutorial on CSS-P which would match what I want to do .. Most tutorial are only on pure web page design .. Do you know one for my problem ... I search most website about CSS-P :\
<17> What's CSS-P?
<18> Nanobot: CC positionment
<5> Nanobot: CSS Positioning. I think its a Dreamweaverism.
<17> I've never heard that term
<17> And that's probably your problem :P
<17> _AxL_: Look up floats, margins, absolute and relative positions, etc.
<17> There's absolutely no shortage of articles about them
<18> Dorward Nanobot : this term is known ... Here is a good french website .. I hope ...http://css.alsacreations.com/
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