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<0> supergreg: huh?
<0> supergreg: yeah I've drank...
<0> 10 beers
<1> her third would mean gender female
<1> his third would be male :P
<0> oh haha
<0> I often do that =] just to mess with you ****ers =]
<1> damn, burnt
<1> :P
<0> :P
<2> Zoffix, what exactly do you do at work...?
<0> Zeros: warehouse duties, shipping/order picking, I can do recieving but I hate it and I told that to my boss so he doesn't make me do it anymore =]
<2> ah nice :)
<0> today the supervisor told me when he was giving me an order to pick and after I've said "Only 15 minutes left 'till the end of the ****": "For you 15 minutes is like 30 minutes for anybody else"
<0> pretty much I'm the best worker there judjing by boss's/super's comments... and I'm definitely the smartest kid there (out of the workers at least)
<0> I get paid more than people that worked there for 5 years (I've worked there only for 1 year)
<2> that's nice
<2> on another note
<2> I must say, rails has some pretty poor documentation in some of the module
<2> s
<2> :/
<1> my chairs armrest broke 40 mins ago... style="seatposition: crooked as hell; pain: lower back;" >:(
<0> heh, I don't even have an armrest on my chair :D
<2> the routing module in rails is 717 lines, has 22 lines of comments and only _one_ method has any real documentation of what it does, why it does it and what the parameters do
<1> cheap chair where its back is held up by the plastic armrest :S
<3> in php how do you include a style.css ?
<2> lwizardl, just like in HTML
<4> lwizardl: ##php
<5> include 'style.css';
<6> lwizardl, same as HTML
<0> lwizardl: ask in #php ?
<1> lwizardl: no need to in php
<0> lol =]
<1> you dont style things in php, php produces html. style the html as normal
<5> if you go to ##php don't mention the letters C M and S in the same sentence...
<0> haha =]
<1> funny how all guys in php have plans on doing their own cms. but support for cms's? NO WAY
<4> Cock Munchers anonymouS? They're still recovering?
<0> 4:20AM >_< better go to bed
<0> looking forward for the headache tomorrow =[
<0> adios
<1> drink up
<5> cyas Zoffix
<1> dehydration is what causes the bad time tomorrow, so drink water now
<1> anyways thanks for your help Zoffix
<2> nothing wrong with writing a CMS, if you document it well, test it and maintain it
<1> of course not, but if you join php looking for help with your work with a cms, you get decapitated
<5> ^^^
<1> its always like that on all networks
<5> can't say I blame them, even the simplest CMS's are usually very complex
<1> I just dont see why not more of them find their favourite amongst the big OS ones, and develop for it
<1> seems to me everyone are always making their own separate one
<7> I find joomla to be nice, but still bloated
<7> and it's open source
<1> but I can't say I blame them as most cms's strive to have low entry levels, and with that, comes newbies with their pebkac-questions :)
<2> most OS software has horrible documentation and the code is poorly commented
<2> the cost to join the development team is very high
<2> so people write their own, that way they know how it works right from the get go, except they don't document or comment either and process repeats
<1> i wasnt necessarily thinking core dev, more like 3pd
<5> argh why isn't
<5> margin: 0 auto; working
<5> width. oh yeah :)
<5> ok now everything is perfect, except in IEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<5> the ul is exactly 50% in the middle instead of left-justified
<5> does every browser calculate borders different?!?
<1> only on fridays
<8> it's saturday here
<8> isn't it saturday about everywhere?
<5> I am about to just say f* and do this in fireworks
<5> I am sick of the browser inconsistencies
<2> Kenman, calculate borders different?
<5> yeah
<2> what do you mean by borders?
<5> http://homesmithrealty.com/test/
<5> there's a red strip, that's displayed differently
<5> but unlike usual where FF & Opera render it the same, Opera and IE render it the same
<5> and FF differently
<2> !v http://homesmithrealty.com/test/
<9> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://homesmithrealty.com/test/
<9> CSS: Not valid - Error: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://homesmithrealty.com/test/
<2> what's the difference Kenman?
<5> do you not see the red line?
<2> sure
<2> and why not use an actual red border on the bottom of the menu box instead of what you have now...
<5> well, the red is just to highlight the problem
<5> I dont want a red border
<5> I want it to be seamless
<2> the way you have your menu setup it can't be in all cases, and I bet the issue you see has to do with the font size
<2> if I increase the font size the whole thing falls apart
<2> well, not really falls apart, but the menu just expands outside the box and you get seams
<5> that'd make sense if I could get it to look the same using the same font size across browsers
<5> but no matter what font size I use it's still messed up
<5> Opera and IE are simply calculating 2px more than FF
<5> for the total size of the nav menu
<1> dont use px
<5> for what
<1> i.e. body {font: 76.1%/120% Helvetica; }
<1> then size all fonts on the site in % or ems
<1> that will make it as similar as it can be
<1> 76.1 is a number some smart dude ended up with after a bunch of testing. the 120% follow is just lineheight
<2> heh
<2> I think that's based on the ***umed huge default font size for IE5
<5> that only makes the problem worse
<2> anyway, 76% on the body shouldn't have any predictable effect
<5> body: 62.5%, menu: 1em
<10> how can i get my footer to be at the bottom of the page, even if the content above it doesn't push it the lengh of the screen .. a kind of min-height: 100% thing?
<11> Denvull: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FooterInfo
<1> Dorward: one sizes it up again. that is applied to body in order to have a similar starting point for all browsers
<11> supergreg: I've never seen anyone size it up again when they use that technique IRL.
<1> just do 1.24em for p font size to be back at users set pref
<10> thanks Dorward .. footerStickAlt .. that's the one
<2> supergreg, so if you size it back up to the user's original size again why did you do it at all?
<1> its been a while since I read the article, and I cant find it. when setting 76.1% almost all browser snap to the same float value, and then you can go from there
<2> supergreg, that doesn't seem logical because 76.1% can be an arbitrary number based on the user's font size setting
<1> that number has been calculated based on the different browsers default, so yes
<1> I would ***ume most people use the default, and this way you can effectively display fonts equally on all of those. Users who have changed their default font size are more likely to know how to adjust it when not correct, right
<2> I suppose
<5> either way it still didn't remedy my issue
<1> I wish I could find the article, it was very detailed, screenshots from LOTS of browser versions
<5> supergreg: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/index.html
<2> I generally set the font size in pixels on the body and use em everywhere else, and then use a trick for IE to set 100% font size on the body so it'll let the user resize the font
<2> rather lame "feature" to disable font resizing if the font is specified in pixels
<1> thanks Kenman, this is in fact the page I was thinking of: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/incremental_differences.html
<2> yes, I've seen the screenshots before
<5> ****it I'm sticking with pixels if they can't read it they can buy gl***es
<12> why do font sizes specified in pixels change size in firefox when the text size is changed?
<2> xic, because the Gecko developers are sane
<11> xic: Umm. Why shouldn't the font size change when the user tells the browser to change the font size?
<12> is there any way to override this behaviour?
<11> xic: No!
<11> xic: If the user wants to change the font size, then its probably because they can't read the default. Preventing them from being able to change it would be a terrible thing for a browser to allow an author to do.
<12> yeah, i understand, but i still need to be able to specify a fixed font size in pixels
<12> if the user's default font size is large, then my site will look wrong
<11> xic: Fix the design so it works on the web.
<12> that's not an option
<12> there's gotta be a way to tell FF not to change the font size...
<11> xic: There isn't.
<12> we'll see about that...
<11> xic: And there shouldn't be.
<12> if the user really wants to change the font size, then they can use a user defined stylesheet, just like they must do if they want to change colors
<11> xic: This of the font size menu in Mozzila based browsers as a way for the user to dynamically author a user stylesheet on the fly.
<11> s/This/Think/
<12> i think it's more appropriate to think of it as a way of changing the size of an em
<2> xic, actually Dorward is correct in his analogy, which is more fact than it is a way of thinking. Gecko actually uses a style sheet to style the content on the page, the default style isn't hard coded into the browser.
<2> when the user changes the font size, link colors, etc. they really are just adding CSS to the page
<13> haha
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