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<0> Zoffix, in firefox, scaling this window down to say, 800x600, I get whitespace on the horizontal scroll: http://www.alwaysfallingshort.com/test3/
<0> Any idea how to fix this?
<1> ]irc person @ JediKirby
<2> JediKirby, Don't ask the person: http://dorward.me.uk/irc/#person
<3> Zoffix: I fixed my CSS problem :)
<0> ok,
<3> The weird one, where everything validated but still didn't work :)
<0> In firefox, scaling this window down to say, 800x600, I get whitespace on the horizontal scroll: http://www.alwaysfallingshort.com/test3/
<0> Now would you at least look at it, Zoffix?
<1> I am busy
<4> anybody here like reptiles and want to join the team for proherper.com? I'm about to redesign it with css and could use help to grow it
<5> Thnx for the centering help people.
<3> Hmm, anyone here live in England?
<0> Look what happens when I type /zoffix
<0> Don't mind Zoffix. S/he spends 90% of the time explaining HOW to ask your question, and about 10% answering it. Don't worry, though. If you actually manage to live up to Zoffix's standards, s/he knows a lot.
<0> I think that's honest enough?
<0> I'm not devaluing any of your question asking ettequitte. I'm just informing people what they're in for.
<6> can anybody tell me why the two collumns don't line up on the top? is this even a css problem? http://winkey.org/index.php?page=paste&ts=1170627165
<1> Yes, because if you don't ask your question properly if you even get an answer you will get it in an hour. If you ask it properly you will get it under one minute. Why would I want to waste my time trying to understand what your problem is? I am not paid for this.
<3> Zoffix: it's the satisfaction you get from helping people in need
<1> This is #css not #helpdesk, if people want to get free help in here, they better learn how to 1) Read the topic. 2) Describe the problem thoroughly
<3> :D
<1> ]irc smart @ JediKirby
<2> JediKirby, Ask smart questions if you want to be helped: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
<0> Regardless, you put people up to a high standard.
<0> I understand what you mean, completely.
<7> I agree with Zoffix.
<0> But you're also very snooty about it.
<1> Because my help is of a high standard.
<7> JediKirby, if people are not to Zoffix's standard, then.. should they really be designing webpages to begin with?
<0> There's standards, and then there's condiscending elitism.
<1> JediKirby, some people pay me $15-$40 for what I have helped you for _FREE_ so far.
<0> And I'm thankful!
<0> My point is that you can be rather condiscending.
<8> Zoffix: hate to say it, but I have to back JediKirby on this one. You do sometimes have something of an elitist attitude.
<3> JediKirby: you haven't been on EFNet much.. have you?
<8> of course
<8> that describes about 85% of IRC users :)
<1> :)
<3> Zoffix is like nothing compared to EFNet
<4> linux users and good programmers almost always equal snooty and condiscending attitudes
<7> You have to, or you get walked all over and have no life.
<7> =P
<4> I use linux, I'm not snooty, and I have a life
<8> That's because Linux users and good programmers expect you to have done your homework before you ask for help.
<4> ;P
<3> Miles_Prower: last time I checked most linux users don't have a life.
<1> ShortWave, well, if you would to be here everyday, and tell people "What's the element that you want to center?" "What's the link" "Does the page validate?" You would be worse than me.
<6> ShortWave that numbers a tad high, i don't think 85% of irc users can even edit any code in a text editor
<1> I can ignore people, but I rather point them out how they should ask their questions if they want a larger pool of people who can provide answers to them.
<8> Zoffix: hah, that depends upon the channel. in #blender I'm kind of a ****, namely because there's only about a BAZILLION ****ing tutorials on how to do things in #blender. In #autocad, however, it's a different story.
<0> Zoffix, I totally agree with you. My point is that you hold a high standards for questions, and I hold a high standard for simply interracting with people.
<3> Zoffix: are you as elitist IRL?
<0> NEITHER of us are in a business transaction. You're offering your help for free, which people should be thankful for. People SHOULDN'T put up with disrespect because someone's doing them a favor.
<0> It goes both ways.
<4> yea, most internet addicted people have great social skills..... [End Sarcasim[
<1> ShortWave, yes, but you know what, more than I half of questions asked in here, I can google up with simple query with the answer being on the first result line.
<8> Zoffix: So very true.
<9> @http://test.statenewslines.com
<8> Zoffix: 90% of the questions here could be answered by a 10 second google query.
<0> Does that mean people asking those questions don't deserve respect?
<0> My point stands.
<3> JediKirby: it depends. Some people asking for help can be total ****s
<2> (test.statenew...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2rbykj ) CSS: Network Error ( http://tinyurl.com/38ftn2 ) DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=iso-8859-1)
<4> JediKriby: uhhmm...I don't think your going to win this one dude
<4> @http://modified-design.com/
<0> There's a difference between someone being lazy and you pointing them towards google, and them being lazy and you handing them a canned "stop bothering me, you can't ask questions very well."
<1> JediKirby, fine, next time when you ask an improperly formed question I will simply pretend that I am not here so I would not say something that would be disrespectful to you.
<8> JediKirby: It's all about the intelligent question thing.
<0> I'm not trying to "win this one" dude
<4> lol, testing my current layout, before I opened up to css
<2> (modified-desi...) HTML: Network Error ( http://tinyurl.com/2hcq7g ) CSS: Network Error ( http://tinyurl.com/3cmgcf ) xml tags found before doctype DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Trans + url (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=iso-8859-1)
<4> haha
<8> JediKirby: This channel isn't about teaching people #css, there are plenty of resources for that.
<0> I just get a little tired of Zoffix's pretentions.
<4> leave
<3> JediKirby: the thing is, this isn't real life, if it was face to face, things would be different
<1> JediKirby, then /part, 'cause I am staying.
<0> Or I could bring it up.
<4> because it's working so well
<0> And if you don't agree, don't oblige.
<1> ]irc @ JediKirby
<2> JediKirby, irc: http://dorward.me.uk/irc/
<8> JediKirby: Dude, *I* get tired of Zoffix's pretentiousness, that doesn't mean I have to rail about it constantly.
<1> ]netiquette @ JediKirby
<2> JediKirby, Netiquette: http://www.albion.com/netiquette/index.html
<0> I'd like to think someone can at least mention that they don't appreciate being treated as inferior.
<1> JediKirby, please read those, if you think that I am disrespectful.
<6> GregVernon some of those sayings like that one are downright silly, you could say the same thing about a phone call then
<8> JediKirby: Accept it. You can't change people's attitudes online by complaining about it. Learn to use it to your advantage.
<10> aaah no superbowl on tv in the netherlands :(
<0> I'm not complaining. I'm mentioning it.
<4> I get treated as inferior, I take it as constructive critism, and get better
<1> ~_~ colors
<8> JediKirby: If you're a jedi, you should be all about using the force to turn situations to your advantage, rather than whining about it.
<3> There is way to much stuff going on.
<0> Nevermind.
<0> Obviously, when someone has a problem with you in real life, you guys don't accept their suggestion. You refute it immediatly.
<0> I only mentioned it. Don't agree? Ignore me. Holy.
<4> how can you say in real life when you have no idea/
<0> I put up with the pretentions because zoffix knows a ****load.
<8> Dude
<1> JediKirby, it's _you_ who need help. You receive help from _me_ I do not get anything from that, I _do_ loose my time that I could use for my personal things. And if you want my help, you better accept the way you are getting it.
<8> You can't judge *anyone* here from how they behave online.
<8> Period
<8> It's simply not possible.
<0> The statement was sarcastic.
<8> See?
<8> My point is made for me.
<0> I was making a comparison. If someone in real life came to you and told you that they don't like you being mean, then you'd at least discuss it with them. So I sarcastically said you guys did it.
<3> JediKirby: here is a tip, when using sarcasm online, it helps to use a Similie
<0> Wow, nevermind.
<4> JediKriby: you remind me of Ross from friends
<8> With a pencil at that.
<3> Example: JediKirby: You ****! or JediKirby: You **** :) samewords, but they look different
<8> Because I'm that good.
<8> naw man
<0> My initial point: Zoffix is pretentious, but smart. I can't hold him to any standards, but I wish he were at least a little more friendly. That's all I meant.
<8> j00 suxx0r!
<0> Sorry for getting everyone in an uproar.
<0> I didn't feel that p***ionately anyway :-/
<4> I can feel where zoffix is coming from, I tattooed professionally for 4 years until I broke my hand and developed a nasty shake, anyways, horrible place to deal with people, they ask the dumbest questions, and always think their right when they aren't
<11> hey all... I have a simple login page asking for username and p***word. When the text boxes have focus, their background color changes. If either of the inputs are wrong, I get the text box (by id) and change the background to red. HOWEVER, when the user starts typing again, I want the original css rules to apply (and for the red stuff to be forgotten). How do i do this??!
<12> hi
<11> oh yeah, i have setup a key listener...
<0> Can't do that with CSS, Wren1
<1> JediKirby, point is... this is NOT real life.. if in real life you would enter a room with 242 people, and you would see some guy that knows a lot and tons of people come to him and ask their questions, then leave, then you storm in and say "Hey dude, why is my page broken" What will he tell you? "Where is the page? What exactly is broken?" And if you will say "Dude, you are so mean!" then I bet that person would just ignore you and the rest of 242 peop
<1> le would kick you out of that room.
<11> jedKirby: Do you have any javascript advice for me. #javascript isn't helping me!!!
<0> Haha, #javascript WON'T help you.
<1> Wren1, try #web
<8> #javascript might help you if you show you can help yourself.
<4> #javascript helped me
<8> Then again, that goes for just about every channel
<1> and me
<11> So no one in here knows how to do this...
<13> IRC etiquette lesson, eh?
<3> anyway, I _do_ have a question. My form elements are gone. I don't know where they went! They are positioned absolutely.
<0> Zoffix: What I'm saying is that there's no reason that the one person has to be an ***hole.
<11> you are pure css freaks!?
<6> has anybody ever concidered buing this? http://www.visibone.com/products/browserbook.html?via=google638j
<0> That's my entire point.
<3> My question is, why did they run away? :(
<1> Wren1, what makes you think that we know JS?
<14> My god this channel has lots of zealots
<8> winkey: hrm. Actually, I might think about getting that.
<1> JediKirby, why do you think that I am ***hole?
<11> Zoffix: i thought u may know js that could MANIPULATE CSS!!
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