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<0> !v nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
<1> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 2892, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://nnn0.net/mangle.cgi/
<1> CSS: Not valid - Errors: 5, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://nnn0.net/mangle.cgi/
<0> :D
<2> lol
<0> :D
<3> Is there any way to override an inline style?
<4> uptownben, maybe the !important rule
<4> uptownben width:10px !important;
<4> say
<4> try it
<4> let me know
<4> if it worked
<5> what was the latest an greatest hack for png transparency in IE ?
<5> so many sollutions I need the best one :)
<5> for use in background images btw..



<5> s/an/and/
<6> you don't need a hack
<6> http://alistapart.com/stories/pngopacity/
<5> nnn0, that page is using hacks or not ?
<5> javascript is still a hack
<6> to get alpha transparency to work in IE you have to use the AlphaImageLoader filter
<6> that is not a hack, it's just Micro$haft
<6> so it's more a kind of a virus than a hack ;)
<6> brb - dinner
<7> is giving an element more than one cl***. eg cl***="foo bar" .. thus the element will have both the foo and bar properties. Acceptable? (yes this does work)
<5> nnn0, ah this one I was looking for http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm
<8> Element43: Yes. Check the cl*** attribute description in the HTML Spec.
<7> Dorward thanks
<9> looking at http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html i once again bow to mr. meyer.
<9> now i'd like to do that same thing but have the popup appear relative to the :hover element.
<9> but in such a way that it does not take up space.
<9> kind of what www.knoppix.org is doing with java script.
<9> though for me, the popup does not have to follow the mouse.
<9> is this possible? how?
<10> hi all!
<10> Are there differences with absolute positioning between IE and FF
<11> roxlu: Shouldn't be, but probably are, knowing IE
<10> :-(
<11> roxlu: Make sure you're using 4.01 Strict, and valid code
<10> I'm using xhtml11-transitional
<10> is that oke?
<11> roxlu: No.
<11> roxlu: Not at all.
<10> oh oke
<11> roxlu: http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
<11> roxlu: IE will see XHTML as tag soup and shift into Quirks mode.
<11> roxlu: In fact, if you're using XHTML1.1 and serving it with the application/xhtml+xml MIME type, like the standard says you should, IE won't parse it at all.
<10> oke thanx
<10> now I'm using strict.. though its still the same problem
<10> oh w8
<10> great it works now!! thanx a lot!
<11> roxlu: Welcome. Is it valid?
<11> http://validator.w3.org/
<10> well, my firefox (two) extension tell me its valid
<11> roxlu: It probably is then. Check the validator anyway just in case.
<10> oke thanx!
<10> i'll
<12> Hi ! I need to make a row of cells about 3 pixels high... what is the best to say in the css ?
<3> Can I have a div that contains a graphic sit behind another div containing text without disturbing the text?
<3> if I z-index that bad boy will it help?
<12> uptownben, yep... but why don't your place your div not in a table and set the background in that one ?
<10> Twey_: hmm it still not working again :-(
<10> though my page is valid
<2> tables for layout are bad.
<10> Can you maybe help me a bit?
<12> cheater, that is still such a bad statement
<2> tables for layout are bad. period.
<2> websites are websites, not multimedia presentations
<2> if you want a fixed gui, make it in visual basic
<12> cheater, on what ground ? My car can drive 300KM/H... but I can;t prove it ;)
<2> there's nothing to prove about that
<2> tables are for tables not for layout
<12> cheater, that is really only something you have read somewhere... prove it to me and after maybe I will belive you ;)
<12> what is the advanatage of a Sata2 on a Sata1 controller... same ****
<10> when I've got a empty div (for a line or something) the height is alway bigger in IE than in FF ?



<2> yeah
<2> i read it on w3c.org
<2> it's the description for the table element. it's for tabular data.
<2> layout isn't even data
<12> veery bit that you have is Data
<12> every
<12> cheater, even the best sites on the Internet have problems on w3c.org
<2> they do?
<2> like which ones?
<12> cheater, just pick one and validate it
<2> MatBoy you obviously don't understand what web design is about
<2> you should quit it and get started on gardening. period.
<12> cheater, it depends on what the definition is of webdesign
<2> you can go and do gardening without fear of standards!
<12> cheater, just grab some websites of big companies and see what's there in the soruce ;)
<12> source
<2> why should i?
<12> I wish you luck with all the mails to the designers
<2> why should i mail the designers?
<2> you sound like someone who wants to copy the worst possible design just because it's on a website that gets 10000+ hits a day
<2> it's like eating from the trashcan just because it's in the back of a five-star restaurant
<12> you asked me which sites... so I give you an idea... you are telling me what is better.. and you think you are only right.. so I think you will not hestitate to tell the designers of big websites :P
<2> i don't care about them
<2> they don't come here spreading misinformation
<12> cheater, also not about me.. shut up than :P
<12> cheater, this is no misinformation
<2> sure is
<12> it workable information... if it's not the best in your opninion... that is your problem
<12> nopt mine ;)
<12> not
<13> For some reason IE loves scrollbars on my iframe, how can I remove them?
<2> try overflow-x and overflow-y (if i remember right)
<2> check msdn kdb
<2> err msdn dhtml ref
<2> :)
<13> overflow none
<13> ?
<14> Hi,.. if i have a table.... how do I specify that a cell has some whitespace around it? it does not seem to work with margin-* and padding-* :/
<11> calestyo: There is no equivalent CSS property for the cellspacing attribute as yet.
<14> Twey_: Oh,.. I see,.. is there another "clean" solution? I think about adding empty cells around it and setting their width... but this sounds to me like,.. "$%&%"
<11> calestyo: If it's tabular data, then no.
<14> Twey_: ok,.. thx anyway :)
<11> calestyo: No problem, join the rest of the world in prodding the W3C into coming up with cellpadding/cellspacing replacements :-P
<14> ^^
<14> unfortunaltely w3 membership is too expensive for me *G*
<11> Lol
<11> Just keep emailing them, they've got to get the message eventually. :-P
<14> is it not even planned vor css3?
<11> calestyo: Not AFAIK
<13> How can I make sure a website puts IE in standardsmode?
<15> !v highpoly3d.com
<13> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">;
<13> <html>
<13> <head> this is the top three rows of the doc, is that all I need
<1> HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://highpoly3d.com/
<1> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://highpoly3d.com/
<11> sandstrom: No, it needs to be valid.
<14> Twey_: at least I found now a somewhat clean solution,.. I put the content of the <td> in a <p> and there I can use margin-* :)
<11> calestyo: Ah, clever :-)
<13> Twey: could you elaborate?
<11> sandstrom: http://validator.w3.org/
<13> from what I no IE doesn't give a **** about valid html...
<11> sandstrom: But it won't go into standards mode with invalid code.
<13> does it include a validator?
<11> sandstrom: That's rather the point.
<13> built in in IE, I highly doubt it..
<8> Twey_: Err. No. Standards mode is dependent on the choice of Doctype, not the conformance to it.
<11> sandstrom: The parser itself is the validator
<11> Dorward: Oh, is it?
<11> sandstrom: Sorry, I appear to be wrong.
<13> Dorward: the doctype I pasted a few lines up, thats all there is to it, right?
<11> sandstrom: Should be in standards mode then.
<13> If I could strangle the mainprogrammer of IE right now there is a chance I would..


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