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<0> GregVernon, css !important: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
<1> GregVernon, make sure your selector is right
<1> ]css selectors
<0> css selectors: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html
<2> bump
<3> it's just the body {} tag
<3> and some others, but, nothing that I misspelled, etc.
<3> and it's oh-so-confusing
<4> If I want to use images for a navigation list, how would I do the rollover effects?
<1> ]rollover @ JediKirby
<0> JediKirby, rollover: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html , http://devilock.mine.nu/pixie/ , http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2004/05/navigation-matrix-reloaded/
<1> lol, a bug in the validator: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.html-kit.com/favicon/
<1> ""0 error" :D
<3> haha
<3> though technically those where just warnings
<4> Zoffix, I need the images themselves to link, though
<4> I can't put text into the window
<4> er, element
<1> :/
<5> damn glitchy guides
<5> do id names get quoted in html?
<5> but not cl*** names?
<1> everything
<5> JediKirby: i finally did it after about 15 hours
<5> rollovers on an image nav-list
<1> lol
<5> i'm lagging hard.
<5> SILENCE. then fifty lines of messages.
<3> sweet
<6> 15 hours for rollovers?
<5> no
<5> the rollovers were easy
<5> it was arranging them into a toolbar-type thing that was hard
<5> i only started learning css yesterday
<6> oh
<6> link?
<5> no!
<5> anyway the rollovers were only easy cause i got the code online
<5> the "span" thing is completely mysterious to me so far
<6> lol
<5> but the default back ground & "hover" background are straightforward
<6> how did you do it?
<6> there's two techniques
<5> the rollovers?
<6> yeah
<5> a selector that's inline (with the right dimensions), and a back-ground image
<5> then a :hover for that selector with a new background image
<6> i'm ***uming you did it with the image in the background of the <a>
<5> then a mysterious "span" for the same selector, with no declaration other than "none"
<6> span, for what?
<1> For IR.
<5> yeah
<1> ]ir
<0> ir: www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/
<1> /* probably */
<5> my rollover junk is the background of the <a>
<5> i don't know what span does-- it was part of the rollover example i saw online
<5> maybe i'll try deleting it
<6> if the <a> is already there for the rollover, span is useless
<7> <style> tags can only be in the header right?
<1> I've said, it's for IR
<7> or we can call it inside body?
<1> ]html style @ Alystair
<0> Alystair, html style: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#adef-style
<6> they can be inside the body, although it isn't very pretty
<7> thanks Zof/bot
<1> m3talc0re, you are insane
<6> alystair, try inline styles instead
<1> don't
<6> if he wants it in the body, better off inline
<7> ew.
<6> if he's going to use cl***es/id's anyway, then in the head
<1> in the external file, not head
<6> another question Fruitpunch, for your rollover background image, did you use one image or two?
<1> ]stupid inline
<0> Do you have an inline styles obsession? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#adef-style
<1> ]rollover @ m3talc0re
<0> m3talc0re, rollover: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html , http://devilock.mine.nu/pixie/ , http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2004/05/navigation-matrix-reloaded/
<6> i know how to do them thank you
<1> _ZofBot, damn, y0 r quik
<6> i'm asking fruitpunch how he/she did them
<5> i thought i answered that
<5> i'm lagging bad
<5> i used a single default image and a single rollover
<5> --multiplied by 3, since i had 3 different buttons on my nav-bar
<6> so two seperate images?
<5> yeah
<6> easier/better to make them one solid image
<5> how is that possible?
<6> then change it's position
<6> you make it show in one position to be in the off state, then in the over state, you reposition the same image up or whichever direction to show the over state
<5> so instead of changing the "background" item........... you make one disappear by some other means?
<1> Fruitpunch, look at the links that _ZofBot last spit out
<6> you just change the position
<6> i think the wellstyled one is it
<6> yeah
<5> ooooooh
<5> that's clever
<6> lol
<5> you kind of "shift" it across
<5> pretty clever
<6> you can do it side by side like that or on top of each other, doesn't really matter
<1> Fruitpunch, yeah, make sure you read the note below about IE being dumb, that bug is hard to notice. So it will work fine for you and 20 other people but the 21st will see **** ups
<5> kind of brilliant actually, in my opinion
<1> Yeah, I love the method too :)
<6> yeah, make sure you read the part about the um..
<6> wtf they call it zoffix?
<6> white flash?
<5> i don't care about compatibility on my site
<5> --heh
<1> Fruitpunch++
<6> then why worry about css?
<1> **** IE, let it die, and it will die only when we will stop supporting it
<8> Zoffix: your site will die long before IE unfortunately.
<5> ouch
<1> enlight, I beg you a pardon?
<5> i care about CSS because i generated my HTML using a ****ty WYSIWYG editor
<5> and the code is garbage
<1> Fruitpunch, code it by hand instead, when you done with the markup THEN add CSS. http://zofbot.zoffix.com <<-- work in progress
<8> Zoffix: IE still has the biggest market share, if you cut out all those people using it you're not going to be in business for very long.
<1> enlight, you missed my point.
<5> i'm sort of going through piece by piece, doing the layout with css
<6> nice bug zoffix :P
<1> m3talc0re, what bug?
<6> the bug crawling on the text
<1> ah :)
<6> and ie7 is a step in the right direction, big step
<1> Yeah, I got it done for me for [almost] free
<6> and ie8 is on its way too
<6> lol
<1> yeah, IE 7 is a big step indeed.
<9> still has a while to go though :)
<6> i can't do 3d on this comp, too ****ty
<1> :)
<6> i'll hopefully be getting my good rig back soon though :D
<5> and i'm manually redoing all the html too
<5> hmm, i hand-coded my three rollover buttons separately
<6> fruit
<5> i obviously could have used id
<6> what editor are you using out of curiousity?
<5> subethaedit
<5> on mac
<5> basically, plaintext with color-coding for syntax
<6> oh
<6> for mac, try bbedit
<5> i hand-coded three separate rollover images, so i have a chunk of code that gets repeated three times
<5> i obviously could have used id right?
<6> Notepad++ on windows :D
<5> at the beginning of the day, i didn't understand it, but now i think i do
<6> id is only used ones
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