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<0> x86_64 smp
<1> EvolutionCrazy: do you feel special ?
<2> (me 32)
<0> dual opteron with tyan 2982 mobo.
<3> damm I'm afraid to reboot..:)
<2> alleycat like special olimpics? :D
<4> ok some weird licence ..
<0> I'll boot another similar machine in some minutes.
<3> hmm going to tweak/add some failover options on grub and reboot
<5> whee, so many issues with ldap auth lol. 1. doesnt work when nscd is running 2. unless i specify the bindpw in ldap.conf (world readable file) username for any logged in user shows up as 'I have no name!'
<1> znull: why don't you configure the boot process with a failsafe option ?
<1> eventually auto reboot in case of kernel panic
<3> alleycat: I'll do that right now
<2> posted here:
<2> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6855
<2> :)
<6> which rpms from the bacula are useable in centos properly?
<7> M0ppi: The kb-CentOS-Misc repository has RPMS of version 1.36.
<8> bleve: did you have to change main.cf and master.cf when you installed amavis-d ?
<7> None for 2.0, though.
<7> babo: Yes.
<6> range: why is it not in centosplus?
<8> range: how is one supposed to find this information out, if there is no man page ?
<7> Because centosplus has newer versions of packages which are in CenOS-Base?
<8> why doesn't the rpm just update the conf file ?
<7> babo: Why should it? Maybe you want to do it in a different way?
<7> And what do you mean with "no manual page"?
<7> There are over 40 files in the amavisd documentation directory.
<7> babo: And it is *not* a simple task. If you do content filtering, you should a) know what you are doing and b) put some thought into that beforehand.
<7> After that changing postfix config is nothing.
<1> range: excellently put,
<3> emi@nitrogen [~]# uname -r
<3> 2.6.9-42.0.8.ELsmp
<3> worked
<3> :D
<2> nice
<2> znull you on 64bit kernel too?
<3> 32
<2> kk :(
<3> evolutioncrazy: http://pastebin.ca/334112
<2> kk
<8> range: well shouldn't the yum installer at least list the things that you have to do ? I'm making adjustments to conf files, but for all I know - the yum installer has chosen to install using a non-standard method ... and maybe I don't need to change the conf files at all ? .. the only information I get back from yum is ... package installed ...
<8> that's not much to go on ...
<7> babo: No. Why should it? You are the administrator of your box and *YOU* as such should know what you are doing *WHEN* you install a certain software.
<8> range: yes, but the minute I use ... yum install ... I'm giving up that knowledge anyway. I mean if you wanted 100% knowledge, then you'd compile from source every time, and there wouldn't be any need for yum right ?
<7> Especially in cases like content filtering for mail, which can bring ou into really hot water, if you begin to lose mails.
<9> well, you can always use rpm to find out what files were installed. You can also RTFM for that particular program that the package is for. isn't that usually enough?
<7> babo: No. Yum helps you to install and maintain software versions
<8> cmang: look, I'm not a full-time unix admin so maybe it's me. But when I'm installing this, I go to the manual - which gives me install instructions for a non-yum install. I then have go over those instructions and try to find out what exactly yum has done, and what exactly I have to do to finish the yum install. It just seems kinda strange that's all. And yum didn't install any man page ... although there are sample config files in /usr/
<8> share/doc
<1> babo: examples plus docs which you should READ
<1> and UNDERSTAND
<1> then IMPLEMENT the config which suits YOUR needs
<9> babo: well, yum and rpm are just there to install and remove files, and manage their dependencies... any given application might come with a default configuration, but yum doesn't actually use the program - you still have to tell the program what you want it to do, if it provides that level of configuration.
<8> cmang: ah ok then ... yum just installs the files ... you have to take care of the config files yourself. I guess that makes sense ...
<1> yum might install a default config
<1> but there is no guarantee that it will suit YOUR needs
<9> it may come with a default configuration, but the very fact that a program has a configuration file at all should tell you that it's extendible ehough to be configured to meet different peoples' needs.
<9> exactly
<9> you should still check that configuration file, RT lovely manual for the configuration, and set it up to do what you want.
<1> not to mention that the config has nothing to do with yum. it depends only on the what the packager has chosen to do
<1> skip the last "the"
<8> OK, but in most cases you'd get a working program when you install something with yum. Whereas in this case it didn't update the postfix config file, so postfix wouldn't p*** off it's mail to amavis. Is there a rule whereby a yum installation won't edit another application's config file like that ? ...
<8> yum install mod_apache_x will update httpd.conf, but amavis won't update main.cf. Is there a guiding principle behind that ? or is it just random ?
<9> if you're installing one program, it's not up to yum to modify the configuration of a different program. that would be intrusive.
<8> ah
<7> babo: Because installing mod_apache_x leaves a file in conf.d/ which apache can include.
<7> It doesn't work that way with postfix.
<9> ah, that makes sense
<8> OK, that sounds reasonable thanks ...
<9> since apache has a configuration diretory, an RPM can just drop a new file in to it to add configurations.
<7> And noone can guarantee you, that the config file in conf.d/ works for you.
<9> not so easy to do if a program is only using one single configuration file isntead of a conf.d/
<0> bobo: yes, you need changes as documented in amavisd-new docs.
<10> good day ppl
<10> Just came in to say Great Job if any centos devels are here. Installed 4.4 singleCD on low(ish) end Proliant rack server (along with VMware Server 1.0) and everything just worked flawlessly. Excellent work... c ya
<11> nice fellow that werre
<7> Yes. Everyone else: If you need an archetype for a good centos user: Look at werre. Nice, submissive and says thanks.
<11> hehe
<12> yeah, not like evolution.
<13> hi
<11> don't you take that tone of voice in here
<14> hopefully that was a typo
<15> do NOT make me pull this car over
<14> 1.0 is old ;)
<11> If I have to come back there, someone's getting a spanking
<14> oh baby, make it hurt!
<11> suddenly the channel went from joking to slightly creepy....
<16> hello, sorry if this is a newb question but how do i disable the firewall if the system-config-securitylevel command does not exist (i did a minimum install)
<11> xcv: service iptables stop
<11> or install system-config-securitylevel with yum
<15> ooh, that's a shiny spoon you have there, Evolution
<16> thank you!
<11> euclid: yeah. I got a 12pack free in my cereal this morning
<17> anyone ever use centos 4.4 on a d946GZIS intel board?
<14> Evo: I got a good laugh out of it ;)
<14> system-config-security-level should be installed by defauly
<14> s/y/t
<18> "ststem-config-security-level should be installed by defauly"? ;)
<14> minor detail
<16> even on minimum install? do you know if it is in the default path?
<14> yes even minimal
<14> as it is required by anaconda to make system changes once the install is complete
<16> i just realised it has a -tui on the end for text interface. found it now. sorry i am a bit new to this!
<14> yes it has tui
<14> system-config-network-tui is the other
<19> hello
<19> has some experience with Asterisk on CentOS?
<20> susinths: asterisk is a downstream fork --ask #asterisk
<19> orc_orc: sorry, downstream fork?
<19> orc_orc: i didn't catch it..
<14> aserisk wasn't created or maintained by CentOS
<20> 09:12 orc_orc> susinths: asterisk is a downstream fork --ask #asteris
<14> therefore we don't support or know about it, so he suggested #asterisk to look for ***istance
<20> Leddy_tC: I know about it but is is off topic here
<19> ok, I SEE
<14> orc: I was speaking layman, not to your knowledge :)
<21> anyone know when centos 5 final is due? I check out karan.org but there's been no updates for most of jan
<22> nickit: CentOS 5 shall be released when it is ready; most likely within 2-3 weeks of the upstream vendor's final public release. Beta news: http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2007/01/03/centos_5_first_install
<21> lol
<7> nickit: After RHEL5 is out.
<20> nickit: there are a few packages which are being stubborn in building in a self-hosted environment
<21> i've got a script that works for centos 4.x comps.xml to pull out packages based on group definition but it doesn't work on rhel5 beta 2 comps.xml
<21> has the format changed?
<21> singnificantly
<20> nickit: yes -- anaconda changes all the time
<21> thanks, just get new ananconda pkgs then and try again? do you know if the rhpl.comps python module/package still the same, will i have to rewrite the script?
<23> does the server iso come with a desktop manager or do I have to download the 4 iso's for that?
<7> riddlebox: The server iso has no graphical stuff on it, but you can install all that with yum later on.
<23> range, thanks, also what is the slowest pc I should run centos on, I want to build a mail server and webserver?
<20> riddlebox: I run such on a P2, 233 w 128m and saturate a T-1 line
<23> sweet, we have some old hp machines that are around that spec
<20> if course I ran RHL 4 on a 486sx25 with 16 M and did the same
<23> I am diving into servers, I run ubuntu and fedora on my pc's and laptops but never got into servers till my boss asked me if I could do this
<7> riddlebox: Then you don't need a desktop manager anyway.
<20> range: s/need/want/ ;)
<7> orc_orc: That too.
<23> range, well the boss wants a graphical interface for adding mail users and stuff
<20> riddlebox: bad idea -- dont do it
<7> riddlebox: And you get the smallest available machine to implement that? Muhahaha.
<23> I am thinking of using qmail toaster to get it up and running
<23> lol
<20> riddlebox: seriously -- some things can not be made simple gui and safe
<20> a sudo protected account and a checklist are about all a boss SHOULD be doing if he values stability
<23> yeah I understand
<20> if nout he needs to sign off on the fact that he WILL inadvertently break stuff
<23> well the one thing I saw is a php script for exim4 that would allow him to go to an internal website to change stuff
<24> riddlebox: note that qmail is not available out-of-the-box, nor is it supported here. Sendmail, postfix, and exim are all highly recommended.
<23> yeah I have been looking at exim as well
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