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<0> john is kind of nice in that respect, it appears to be able to test common variations of the dictionary phrases very quickly
<1> john is nice
<1> yea
<2> john?
<0> as long as your p***word is more than 10 characters, contains letters, numbers, and symbols, you're safe against cracking essentially for the age of the universe
<2> hmm
<0> the fastest supercomputer on the planet is only a drop in the bucket when compared to the computing power needed to brute-force a secure p***word in a reasonable amount of time
<1> n8
<2> ah yes..and it's true to say windows hashing is easier to crack
<1> erm
<1> no
<1> a hash is a hash
<2> well
<3> Good night TheBonsai
<0> the way technology currently stands, the physical space required for a computer with enough computing power would probably consume the space of several galaxies
<0> TheBonsai: not entirely true
<0> TheBonsai: at least not with NTLM hashes
<2> TheBonsai the program used with windows would not work on Linux that's why if the hash files can be transferred to windows it would be easier
<0> TheBonsai: most Windows-based systems currently on the market use insecure hashing with NTLM that doesn't include a salt
<1> [Shiba]: well, but basically. a one way calculation is a one way calculation. the algorithm may have weakness, yea. i guess goedel is the best for that discussion :)
<1> bed.. :)
<1> bye
<3> bye
<2> bye
<0> TheBonsai: as a result of the absence of a salt, a so-called rainbow table can be generated that is able to perform lookups on hashes within a few minutes or hours
<2> salt is needed then
<0> so even a cryptographically secure p***word can be cracked
<0> Qubie: p***word salts are important
<3> I recommend to read the book: Applied Cryptography
<0> NTLM hashes are so thoroughly cracked at this point that they are useless
<0> see www.rainbowcrack.com
<4> test
<4> sorry
<4> good
<0> incredibly, those people have put together rainbwo tables for the entire NTLM keyspace
<2> I guess the bottom line is if a p***word is well kept..(numbers/letters/caps/symbols - salt hash secure root p*** etc..) it is nearly impossible to crack
<0> Qubie: all modern unix systems use p***word salts ;)
<4> does anyone see me ?
<2> we do
<4> glad to hear that
<0> Qubie: the importance of a salt relates to the availability of pregenerated tables
<4> thank you
<3> yes we see you Butterfloy_test
<4> I think you know what a newb is
<4> you'd have to invent a word for me
<2> why so
<0> Qubie: if a salt is absent, a table can be pregenerated that contains hashes for several hundred thousand p***words. if it is implemented properly, p***word lookup is literally instantaneous
<4> I dont really know how I arrived here
<4> (this is no reason to kick me)
<2> time is key...I mean if this is for fun then your correct but otherwise I see no point if Salt is present
<3> ButterFloy: you are here in the channel #bash of irc.freenode.net
<0> the point of a salt is that it modifies the p***word in a predictable way on a given system, making pregenerated tables useless
<0> p***word+salt are combined and then hashed
<2> just to be curious I plan to research into salt
<2> also see if Windows implements something similar
<0> it doesn't
<0> thats why rainbowcrack.com exists
<2> true
<0> I actually contributed about 10 rainbow tables to them about a year ago
<0> took me over 3 months to generate them
<2> interesting
<0> no wait, that was 4 months
<2> Ah my emerge gdm should be complete.. brb *runs to his box*
<0> took nearly 2 weeks for each table
<5> How might I use sed to replace newlines with the literal \n? I'm trying to make something a one-liner for use in a shell hack.
<3> sed 's/\n/\\n/g' FILE
<2> [Shiba]: which distro do you use? And which WM?
<3> Qubie: you seem to use Gentoo and GNOME
<2> Close =p Gentoo and Fluxbox
<2> what about you goedel?
<3> I prefer Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 and GNOME; but I use Gentoo too
<6> hey
<3> hi Howitzer
<7> exit
<7> q1uit
<6> ./quit
<5> goedel: that doesn't do anything to the file
<3> if you want to change the original file use sed option -i
<5> goedel: no. i mean. the output is the same as the input.
<3> have you used single quotes, max_m?
<5> goedel: i always do for such expressions
<5> goedel: i tried that one of yours and one of mine earlier that was comma delimited
<5> goedel: neither make proper output
<5> goedel: i wish i knew whey
<5> why*
<3> max_m: use this: sed ':a;N;$!ba;s/\n/\\n/g'
<3> sed normally reads a whole line runs the script with the line and prints it then reads the next line etc.
<5> here's what works easiest, i just figured it out
<5> cat fg100a.oid | awk '{ printf("%s", $0); }' > fg_one.txt
<5> small error
<5> awk '{ printf("%s\\n", $0); }'
<3> this works also (not tested): tr '\n' '\001' | sed '/\001/\\n/g'
<3> sorry s/\001/\\n/g
<3> this is tested: tr '\n' '\001' | sed 's/\x01/\\n/g'
<5> harder problem than it looks like, hehe
<3> $ ctrl_a=$(echo -e "\x01"); echo -e "a\nb\nc" | paste -sd "$ctrl_a" | sed 's/\x01/\\n/g'
<3> a\nb\nc
<3> there are many possibilities
<3> max_m: this would work too: perl -pe 'BEGIN {$\="\\n";}; chomp;'
<8> i use the following in a script but cannot get sed to work (quoting issue) however when the output it echo's it looks fine... ARRAY=($ARRAY"s/$IP/$USER ($IP) -/g;") ; "/usr/bin/tail -$LINES /var/log/dansguardian/access.log |sed \"${ARRAY[@]}\"
<3> max_m: this would work too: perl -pe 'chomp; $_="$_\\n";'
<8> oops ignore the quote around "/usr..."
<5> goedel: yeah i just finished the job using awk to generate a big file with each of the custom files inside
<5> goedel: then split them up with kedit into the multiple files
<5> goedel: and touched them all to the same mtime to make it look god
<5> goedel: so onto the next project
<3> max_m: fine
<5> i had to generate these snmp recognition files
<5> and each device i support has a different id
<5> but they all have to be in separate files, which makes it a pain
<5> if they were one file i'd have been done 10 min. ago
<5> i'm going to eventually have to write a splitter but the code will be crappy crappy crappy for this
<3> max_m: can you enumerate the devices?
<5> goedel: well i got the sysoids from a mib file
<5> goedel: i'm adding enumeration support for them to a network management program
<5> goedel: in order to make the support i have to make this little file that says what to look for on the network
<3> max_m: perhaps I can help you if you are more specific
<5> goedel: well it's sort of hard to describe
<5> goedel: so i have this app, and it expects info on supported network devices in these little java property db flatfiles
<5> they are kind of in c format
<5> rootname {
<5> somestuff=foo
<5> }
<5> anyways, each device i want, goes like this
<5> deviceacronym {
<5> product=foo
<5> model=bar
<5> cl***=bar
<5> vendor=manufname
<5> SYSOID=.1.3.6.1.4.1.somestuff
<5> }
<5> the only tricky part was each deviceacronym claus must be in a new file
<5> so you have to split them and put them in a file which has deviceacronym as its name
<5> that's the part which messes it all up
<5> the only decent way i found right now is robotting it out in the GUI
<5> which is a pain but it's a small number of devices ~20 or so
<5> so not a huge problem
<5> but this doesn't scale well as i do the rest of my work obviously
<3> wait a bit I write a script for you max_m
<5> goedel: but wouldn't any scripts you write either be incomplete or inconsistent?
<3> max_m: the script: http://pastebin.ca/87470
<3> I ***umed that the deviceacronym consists only from letters, digits and underscores. change it as you like
<5> goedel: nitfy. thanks.
<3> max_m: you're welcome
<5> goedel: i'll take that and hack on it and it'll save me eons of time
<9> Any one know why a NAT ACL (the acl that decides if something can be NAT'ed) would block a packet going between 2 public IP address?
<0> Qubie: still there?
<0> Qubie: I use either Gentoo or Slackware, depending on the speed of the system. Right now I'm on my Gentoo desktop using XFCE
<10> waf.
<9> oops wrong channel
<11> hi all
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