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<0> verbie, before you go to bed, can you read a haiku for us?
<1> Magnus_RM: posting
<1> .
<1> jungles are resting
<1> liz sits when seeing this door
<1> i need to be cold.
<1> .
<1> end
<0> oh ok :)
<0> now go to bed
<2> hehe crazy old swede
<3> DanF_DrC: this article might interest you, if you haven't seen it already. http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/article/CA6355028.html?industryid=22111
<2> I think it's vaporware
<2> they got nothing. empty hype
<2> there is another project about much the same. blue brain or something. nothing too
<3> got a link for blue brain?
<2> http://bluebrainproject.epfl.ch/
<2> http://domino.watson.ibm.com/comm/pr.nsf/pages/rsc.bluegene_cognitive.html
<3> here's one about bird brains --> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1693309.htm
<4> there are lots of articles about "AI" in the popular press
<4> most of which contribute to the dilution of concepts like "AI" and "intelligence"
<5> thats putting it wrongly
<5> they dont contribute anything at all
<5> except for perhaps idle speculation on what AI really means, and some pathetic attempts at philosophizing it
<6> my $0.02: i think that it is useful to hear what the lay-person has to say about AI, if only to understand the lay-person's expectations. this way, products developed that use AI techniques in some way can be made to better meet those expectations.
<2> viksit tells you that you are wrong and then how you were right as if he had said it first athena :)
<4> danf_drc: i noticed, but it seemed like a sysphean task to try to explain this
<4> sigh
<4> sisyphean, i mean... fingers cold, not working right :)
<2> ok :) was about to correct you but I didn't know the word before I looked it up
<2> athena, still working on the NLP for stocks?
<4> yes!
<7> hello, well, i've just got AIMA today, but it's the first edition, should i wait and get to 2nd, or just stick with this one?
<2> liar :)
<4> danf_drc: please don't ask then
<4> diego: first edition is good enough for basic intro... what is your goal?
<2> diego, I'm not familiar with the differences but I think there are some 50 pages of difference. I would get Mitchell's book instead though. I don't have much respect for AIMI
<7> well, i'm just 14 (a complete begginer) so I think my goal is just what you said: a basic intro
<7> Danf_Drc: why is that?
<2> athena, sensitive sensitive :) I take it you mean to suggest that you were telling the truth. any insights so far to report?
<4> in that case, the 1st ed. is more than enough... i imagine you will find it quite challenging
<7> athena: well, yes maybe but, don't we all love challenges?
<7> Danf_Drc: why is that you do not have much respect for AIMA?
<4> diego: non sequitur, but...sure! :)
<7> ; )
<2> diego, it's not easy to say what's right for you. I didn't zero in on the core until I was 26-27. maybe skim the paper in the topic link. it's a simple system that drove across usa
<2> might be inspirational
<4> danf_drc: nothing noteworthy to report so far... working on the foundational bits
<7> "good old example" or "thoughts on AI"?
<2> I don't like AIMI because it seems not systematic and entertaining quaint notions like pretend-AI like game AI. iirc
<2> diego, first
<2> but the other might interest you as well
<7> DanF_Drc: i see
<7> ok lets see
<2> or maybe it won't mean much to you. you can skim the second link. if it doens't mean anything save it for later
<7> k
<2> can you code? if so which language?
<7> hhmmm
<2> programming
<7> my first Hello Wolrd was made in Pascal
<2> ok
<7> then i learned about paradigms and other theoric stuff with C
<7> but know i know almost all the basics of OOP pretty well with C++
<2> nice. have you coded some simple algos? what's the most complex you have coded?
<7> hmm omg i don't know
<2> anyhting. sorting?
<2> drawing lines?
<7> haha i was starting to code a poker player =D
<2> ok :)
<7> it went pretty well until i got my GIGANTIC C++ book and sticked with reading it
<2> sure. lot of nuances to c++
<7> sorry, naunces? (english is not my natal tongue)
<2> aspects
<7> oh
<7> yes yes its completeness has surprised me
<6> yeah, C++ CAN be abused mightily. lol
<7> ahha
<2> one could argue there is redundancy in c++ yes
<2> I stick to a neat subset of c++
<2> I learned java first so that so of colors my style
<7> do you know python?
<7> i was interested in learning that too, but know im going LISP
<6> python is cool enough, but i have my ingrained syntax habits that keep me from being productive with it.
<7> lol, habits from wich language?
<2> no. it's not easy to advise you since you have blossomed early. I didn't learn to code seriously until I was 19+ but that doesn't mean all your mental aspects are similarly developed. if they are you are a monster genius :) smarter than me and all.. :) you can read some books but even though you are ahead with coding skills that doesn't mean you are ready for AI yet
<2> that shouldn't discourage you though
<4> i don't see why coding skills are required... a bit premature, no?
<6> mainly a LOT of C/C++ (since the mid-80s), some Java, more recently a lot of C#
<2> if you do well at 21 that's still world cl***. even at 30 or 40
<7> wow, that's honest =D
<7> i'll take your 2nd advice, that shouldn't discourage me
<2> athena, I think coding skills disciplines the mind well to only seek what really works
<7> i'm pretty confident of my skills, and i am aware that i am not a genious too
<2> where are you from?
<7> Peru
<2> impressive. how did you learn english?
<7> lol, my father talks english fluidly, my brother too
<7> i learnt it a school too
<2> when did english start in school?
<7> hmmm
<2> roughly
<7> well, before school actually
<7> in kinder
<7> the colours and REALLY basic stuff
<2> by your parents or part of school?
<7> my fother, most of it
<2> hmm ok
<7> and i wanted too
<7> i mean
<7> not only schools not only my father
<2> ok
<7> not all of my friends at school talk fluidly
<2> no **** :)
<7> lol
<2> you are no dummy that's for sure. and genius is a subtle quality. einstein came 4th of 5 in his graduation
<7> lol
<7> ya i know his parents thought he was retarded
<2> who knows. God is a crazy bastard :)
<7> hahaha
<2> no I think the retardation is somewaht exaggerated
<6> yeah, he was held back in the 2nd or 3rd grade, wasn't he?
<2> those who knew him had little doubt
<7> haha, no, really. he didn't learn to speak until 3 or smthn like that
<7> i mena, he learnt late
<2> speed is not necessarily a plus
<2> and I don't think he was held back in any cl***
<7> well, all parents expect for their baby to talk, right?
<2> sure but if he talks relativity when he does... :)
<7> hahaha
<2> :)
<2> as I said genius is subtle
<7> yes
<7> ok well i got what i wanted
<7> really thankfull to y'all
<7> bye bye
<2> np. do come back. there ismore to learn
<2> cya
<7> there will always be more ; )
<7> take care
<2> probably true :) u2
<4> danf_drc: "God"?
<2> atheist eh :) yes God. it requires an extralogical argument to accept and I believe is a fundamental quality about us whether we can accept that or not. unfortunately noone can be told that God is. a frustrating quality but I can give you the chance
<2> the evidence for the spiritual (which I then take further on faith) is us. sensation, consciousness. a quality not required in a machine which evolution enterprets us as
<2> that's it. you can either see it or you can't
<2> interprets?
<2> yes
<4> more agnostic than atheist... the only possibility in my mind for an omniscient and omnipotent (in this universe) entity is that we live in a simulation
<2> in is a misnomer for God. the only possibility I see is that the simulation is God
<2> you might ask where do God live and who made him. but that's a fundamental question
<4> but such an entity would not be the same as the god purported to exist by religions... since this entity would not be omnipotent in its own universe (i.e. outside the simulation)
<2> I mean no disrespect but outside is a quaint notion
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