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<0> hello
<1> hi
<0> hey DanF_DrC
<2> hi
<3> well aren't we all in a merry greeting mood
<2> indeed
<0> chessguy
<0> i love chess
<0> do u have fide rating?
<3> nah, i'm not that good
<3> i'm more interested in chess AI at the moment
<1> Elinor, do you have a fide rating?
<4> <jeffer@ef> hi
<5> found this:
<5> http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=RUR-PLE
<5> not necessarily AI, but there's a robot involved!
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> I'm a robot :)
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> not AI related but any of you given a crack at "rebol"?
<5> url?
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> www.Rebol.com
<5> (your answer is obviously no, though :-)
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> haha yea :p
<5> sounds interesting
<5> but why their own language?
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> I'm kicking into it a bit as my dad knows the proprietor
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> so might be possibility for job hookups :)
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> I dunno from what I've seen its actually pretty sweet
<5> if they'd gone for a library for an existing language, it'd catch on like wildfire
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> check out the code cookbook
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> theres a webserver in like ~40 lines
<5> so, what makes the code distributable? is it automatically so, or does the programmer have to think about it?
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> I'm just toying around at the moment, making that old mac game where you break all the bricks w/ your paddle :)
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> There is an interface that lets you share code I believe?
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> the entire thing is ~600kb
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> when I program I keep confusing stuff with Ruby / Prolog
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> rather amusing
<5> sounds good though...
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> ya. on the site they even state they're probably 3-4 years late
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> which is more than most could admit :)
<4> <Dark-Elf@ef> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2qC2lXTL0 have to share
<4> <[Edgar]@ef> ..
<5> ...
<4> <coercion@ef> i wonder if we could consider the internet as a whole like an inert form of a.i.
<4> <coercion@ef> not inert rather p***ive
<5> p***ive meaning it doesn't go out and try to kill people :-)
<1> coercion, other than the people's intelligence what intelligence is there? it's probably an unwarranted romantic notion
<4> <coercion@ef> transferred imprinted intelligence?
<4> <coercion@ef> so it is a form of intelligence
<4> <coercion@ef> no?
<1> no
<4> <coercion@ef> :(
<1> :)
<4> <coercion@ef> :P
<1> a book isn't intelligent either
<1> nor a cd
<4> <coercion@ef> unless it was one of those talking books
<1> you could call it an imprint of intelligence but why
<4> <coercion@ef> from uh alice in wonderland was it?
<1> ?
<4> <coercion@ef> there is no why, there is only stated fact, the why is root(why)sq
<5> coercion, i think intelligence is necessarily not "p***ive" or "innert"
<5> otherwise it's just knowledge
<4> <coercion@ef> well by proxy the communication mediums of data flowing into the chasm which governs the internet raises some level of doubt as to whether it could be as a representation of the sum total of humanity's mental processing
<4> <coercion@ef> like a big fat brain
<5> it's a result of processing, not an active process
<5> hence, knowledge and not intelligence
<4> <coercion@ef> you could see it in two ways
<4> <coercion@ef> i see it as progression
<5> i guess there is "some" process, i see your point
<5> some knowledge is created by the internet alone.
<4> <coercion@ef> exactly
<5> though it needs human stimuli
<5> *extensively* at the moment
<4> <coercion@ef> which is why i'm starting to think humans are giving life to technology
<5> ouch, sounds painful. i hope they do a cesarian for that one.
<4> <coercion@ef> :)
<4> <coercion@ef> whats so painful about that
<5> i was just joking, technology sounded like a rather big thing to birth
<4> <coercion@ef> it was
<4> <coercion@ef> but not as big an advent as human civilization
<4> <coercion@ef> technology has been pretty exponential
<4> <coercion@ef> kinda like human growth
<4> <coercion@ef> virii?
<5> now, i agree with that,but had trouble defending that "exponential growth" thing with Pennywise
<5> what's your argument? :-)
<6> there must be virus that is reducing human beings into "nodes", or crippled people who sit in front of a computer all day to process information for the network of "nodes".
<5> they found a name for that virus
<5> curiosity :-)
<7> Are the Tokyo video lectures mentioned in the topic in English?
<8> What is the major obstacle to creating ai today?
<8> programmers? hardware? software (tools)?
<9> knowledge
<8> What type? cyc common sense, domain knowledge, algorithm knowledge, data representation?
<10> creating what sort of AI? if it's strong AI, then the problem is probably the lack of knowledge of how to achieve it. not whether we have the right resources or not, we don't even know that much, we're still at an early step
<8> AI is really about solving the naming problem.
<8> I just don't know the formal name of it, so I call it the naming problem.
<11> What problem was he talking about?
<9> I bet he came from the future.
<5> the future is a naming problem
<10> cl***ification perhaps
<11> oh, heh
<5> the naming problem is understanding stupid names for probles
<5> +m
<7> has anyone watched the AI Tokyo lectures? In the first lecture they issue a warning that watching the lectures may be dangerous. What is this all about?
<12> wtf?
<12> I mean, "oh really old chap eleftherios? and what fortuitous reason might that be?"
<9> eleftherios: _may_ be dangerous
<9> eleftherios: try watching them and see what happens
<7> Vegar, in what way _may_ be dangerous?
<7> Vegar, have you watched the lectures?
<9> there's only one way to find out
<9> no
<7> Andares, have you?
<9> tokyolectures.org?
<7> Vegar, look at the topic
<12> I-I-Insolent bbb--bb---einng. T-the intelliggggggence trans-mmm-mitted thr--ough the lecture-sssss to the BRAAAIN i-is farrr bet-tter than your ow---www---nnnnnnnnnn......
<9> oh
<12> What I meant was.
<7> going back to original question, has anyone here watched the Tokyo lectures?
<7> hehe
<9> whoever put them in the topic probably has
<12> That'd probably be our chap DanF_DrC, right?
<1> hehe no I put them there because paros liked them so much. I have watched a few of them. the last two are tolerable but it's a bit slow and some of them are not particularly worthy
<7> DanF_DrC, yes the first one I am watching is slow indeed
<1> you can try 9 and 10 but don't expect too much
<7> DanF_DrC, I just thought it was odd that the lecturer highlighted the word DANGER! for watching the lectures
<1> I haven't noticed that. in the first one?
<7> so I wanted to have the views of someone who has watched them
<7> DanF_DrC, yes in the first one. He mentions it and the makes a note with the word 'DANGER!' on the screen
<1> odd. I'll check
<7> it is the first part of the lecture, in the introductory remarks
<7> pardon, the first part of the video I mean
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