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<0> anyone interested in another discussion night, for instance next weekend or the middle of the week after that?
<0> any suggestions for the 1-2 articles?
<0> noone interested?
<1> cwenner: how about discussion on netflix prize? :)
<0> i presume something of the kind would be acceptable
<2> it seemed like nobody showed up last time.
<2> there is one paper I'd like to read, but it might be too difficult.
<2> but I can point you to it anyway if you'd like.
<3> Has this channel ever collaborated on a project? Smart people like there are in here ... you may stumble on something significant.
<4> smart people here? jeez
<4> I think the smart ones never talk =[
<5> I wonder why. </sarcasm>
<6> I speak plenty
<6> and succesful research collaboration is extremely rare I believe. think about how few of the greats came in pairs
<7> abbot and costello?
<6> no
<6> Sixshoot, succesful research collaboration is extremely rare I believe. think about how few of the greats came in pairs
<3> Watson & Crick. Siskel & Ebert. Ben & Jerry. :)
<6> no :)
<7> Gilbert & Sullivan
<7> Bonny & Clyde
<8> hodgkin and huxley
<9> DanF_DrC: think about how many of the greats are merely people who popularized the discoveries of others in a vain attempt at gaining a place in history
<9> and that how each great discovery is merely one person pushing a rock an extra inch to get it over a mountain
<9> after it had been pushed up the mountain by thousands of others
<10> what's the rocks story?
<9> uhm.. the rock rolling represents the idea gaining momentum
<9> the rock itself isn't really analogous to anything :)
<10> what's the idea?
<10> oh
<9> let's say.. relativity
<10> ok.. and everyones been pushing it?
<10> ok
<10> that's interesting.. so everyones trying to get relativity up and over the mountain?
<9> everyone pushing are the scientists who came before, each contributing little pieces that slowly build up the idea
<9> right!
<9> well, they don't know it's relativity of course
<9> because that's the other side of the mountain
<9> they only know there's SOMETHING on the other side
<10> ok I get ya
<10> right.. interesting..
<10> and where are all the normal people when this is going on, just watching?
<9> let's not stretch this metaphore too thin :)
<9> i didn't think of incorporating regular people
<10> haha
<10> right.
<9> my point is that individual humans are only great with the support of other humans
<9> i mean, if nobody GAVE you language, you would be sitting in a ditch poking berries in your nose
<9> language is one of those most amazing developments
<10> that's right, thinking that if you do poke berries in your nose, you might find out something like 'language'.
<9> haha
<9> or at least that it's a good idea :)
<10> right..
<9> http://chris.ill-logic.com/wiki/Theory_of_Knowledge_(Einstein's_Response)
<9> i love that essay :)
<9> and this one -- http://chris.ill-logic.com/wiki/The_world_as_I_(Albert_Einstein)_see_it
<10> whos this Einstein guy and what does he know?
<10> :)
<9> he's just this guy who was in the right place at the right time
<9> and who read a lot :)
<10> hehe true
<10> man I like Einsteinds writing, flows real well
<9> the guy did everything as best he could! :)
<9> some guy once asked him, "what do you think about when tying your shoes?"
<9> so he ponders for a bit, and goes, "tying the best shoelaces I can."
<10> true
<10> well there ya go
<10> an einstein for ya
<2> ;end
<3> "Tying the best shoelaces...". Hahaha
<3> "Naive realism leads to physics, and physics, if true, shows that naive realism is false. Therefore naive realism, if true, is false; therefore it is false."
<3> That's so Russell.
<9> heheh
<6> epitron, newton? maxwell? tesla? einstein? surely some of them are not frauds
<9> those guys are all non-frauds
<9> well, newton was a bit of a jerk in getting into the history books
<9> screwing over leibniz like that
<9> i wouldn't call tesla "in the history books" either :)
<9> but you see my point
<9> "great men" aren't isolated pillars
<6> I don't care about the books. only truth
<9> they're supported by others
<6> and I see your point but as false
<9> duh
<6> quite true that nobody starts from nothing. that's a truism
<9> uh
<9> the idea that collaboration doesn't achieve results is pretty silly. :)
<9> now, when you're trying to refactor a huge system, like people who created revolutions in science, it all has to be done in one's head.
<9> and that's impossible to collaborate on.
<9> but you're fooling yourself if you think all the non-revolution things do worse when people collaborate is folly!
<9> (whoops, remove the "is folly!" :)
<9> i mean, working by yourself is BORING! :)
<9> that alone is reason to work with other people.
<9> other people help keep your mind active, let you bounce ideas off of them.
<9> just because you can't work with other people doesn't mean that the whole thing wouldn't ever work. :)
<11> hallo there
<9> sup!
<11> how are u?
<9> pretty good
<11> cool..
<11> whats your idea on ai?
<6> epitron, if you can't focus alone why should you be able to with others. I did it alone. as did others. indeed noone has done it in groups
<9> people can't focus continually.
<9> they need breaks.
<9> i'm not saying that you should hang around other people all the time while working.
<9> the guy was just suggesting that #ai people worked on a project together.
<9> it's a good idea! :)
<9> also, nobody is an expert at everything.
<9> people have diverse sets of skills that are rarely identical.
<9> it's valuable to have different minds working on the same problem.
<11> I agree epitron
<11> I agree that #ai people worked on a project together.
<6> good luck finding two of same interest and extreme talent
<11> what we need initially is brainstorming and a lots of optimism
<6> I should add that it doesn't seem to take all that much talent. more a conviction of sorts
<12> Depends on 'colloboration'. Also large scale projects are 'engineering' with some form of modular interface. So you 'colloborate' with others on the big project while doing lone innovation inside your own box.
<12> think space shuttle
<11> exactly the point kinoc.. look at opensource community
<12> lots of parts for individual innovation but lots of 'colloboration' to constuct
<9> yeah, the engineering part is a great thing to distribute between people :)
<9> it would be nice if we could automate the engineering part!
<9> machines would be so much better at it than us.
<11> cool..
<11> whats ur major guys?
<12> opensource is probably the best example of best of both type at work at once
<13> hey.. while there's actually some activity in here.. id like to throw in a question
<12> just CS with focus on AI and NLP
<13> has anyone used ffmgeg and opencv?
<13> to stream the opencv markup?
<11> i have not.... im computer science too
<11> plan to take graduate studies focusing on intelligent system...
<12> took hints from opencv code once, but nothing active. On the todo list eventually...
<12> find what you like and maintain you enthuaism
<12> no amount of colloboration will make up for a topic you don't like (actually it will only make it worse)
<11> what is the concensus on #ai project undertaking?
<12> is there one ?
<11> what i mean is to start one
<11> the best idea is to let someone take the lead...
<12> http://www.agiri.org/wiki/index.php?title=AGISim
<12> or something like that
<11> i'll check...
<11> cool... interesting discipline...
<12> would be something for everybody
<11> what do you suggest about it?
<12> Well, its building a sim world for testing AI's. You can work on the sim, the interface, languague processing, vision, the AI's ....
<11> hmmm...
<10> is this something you're working on kinoc?
<12> no, just was thinking of something with lots of appeal
<12> http://www.daxtron.com/eyebot/ , cycfoundation stuff, grad school AI stuff
<12> if you check the link it takes a while since its a java applet
<12> you can ask thinks like "what does cyc know about general intelligence" or "what do you know about north korea nuclear program" or "show me an sr-71"
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