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<0> and you want to learn which kernel transformations work for cl***ification?
<0> or let the program learn it
<1> huh?
<0> clearly i dont understnad lol
<2> a kernel is a measure of proximity; it is similar to an inversion of a measure of distance, but at 0 there is a hole (so they put in a "kernel" heh heh)
<3> Cool.
<3> What's the matter, Colonel Sanders? Chicken?
<1> they have many uses; i'm afraid that i'm not much of an expert
<1> iirc svm kernels have to be symmetric and positive-definite
<1> the ones i'm thinking about will probably not be symmetric
<4> Andares, McFly :)
<3> Marty?
<4> Biff :)
<3> Trying to figure out how to install ArchLinux from Windows.
<4> ok. wouldn't know anything about that
<1> cl***ification is not necessarily a bad way to play the stock market, but i'm thinking more along the lines of monte carlo simulation of various strategies to determine an optimum
<5> hey
<5> is there any way to check if a uni has access to cognet
<1> lo Captain_Fourier
<5> hi _death
<1> that's an interesting question, Captain_Fourier; i'm sure that the head librarian would know
<5> the head librarian?
<1> at the university; you should be able to find someone on the library web page
<1> or you could use an agent if you want to query numerous libraries
<1> cognetadmin@cognet.mit.edu would probably also be helpful
<5> i do
<5> ok
<1> this book is awesome: http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Books/Applied-Regression/
<1> interesting slides for people into neural networks: http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Courses/SPIDA/GLMs-handout.pdf
<1> this one is cool too: http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Courses/SPIDA/MLE-basic-ideas.pdf
<6> How many AIbots does it take to hold an intelligent converation? And if no human is there to witness it, did it actually happen?
<4> :)
<7> threeseas, lol
<6> Artificial Intelligence. A term the describes well some humans I know.
<6> open cyc. isn't common sence supposed to be easy and obvious?
<7> threeseas: well humans are the masters of desction on this planet
<7> why can't computers be easy on AI programmers and learn how to learn on their own
<6> Shadow_mil: :) I think maybe because they are made up of dirt (stone, silicon, gerainum, etc..) and that' makes them naturally dumb as dirt
<7> lol
<7> well I think they use silicon from sand
<6> Yeah they tried to wash away the impurities... maybe that's the problem... in comparison to what we humans are made up of.
<7> I thought that gerainum was barly used, I thought that most chips are silicon and doped with some a name
<7> "a"
<6> I believe they (chips scientist) keep discovering new ways to create faster chips, the latest being somethimng about using floride in the fabrication process.
<6> I suppose computers may never have cavities
<7> lol
<7> they eat their food to quickly
<6> It's funny how we once had TV shows like Buck Rogers and then star trek and today we look back and see the basic ideas of some things, but not the details of actuality - like the complexity of the space program and cell phones..
<6>
<6> thats odd.
<6> xchat didn't seem to put allo I wrote up.
<6> oh there it is
<6> anyways, I suppose the same holds true for things like the singularity (AI more advanced than Humans)
<7> No thing humans have made is more advance then other humans
<7> nor do I think we will make something more advance than ourselfs
<6> I agree
<6> Something about lock are for honest people and we can break whatever we make
<7> threeseas: I don't think there are anything other people on the planet that can truely understand how advance the human body and mind is more then computer programmers and scientist
<7> the very nature of computers is to mimic human like tasks
<6> I don't know, thats a very subjective matter and as such, its probable that programmers are good at defining a part but have troubleseeing the whole, Scientist... well I suppose Einstein came to know the unified field theory upon entering the state of death that didn'ty allow hime to write it down.
<6> stobne image of the beast of deceptive man.....
<6> -b
<8> we need to induce near death experiences on our greatest minds
<6> yeah, a computer can be no more than a reflection of its maker
<7> computers do task that humans use to have to do by hand. even doing these tasks can be very diffcult to mimic
<8> that's not true. we were made from chaotic chemical soup, it wasn't advanced.
<7> though some more then others
<6> The unified field theory is solved upon the recognition of the element of consciousness, as that is the element that effectd einstiens life most of all
<8> but we're composed of that chemical soup, in a way, and it could be that greater intelligence is partly composed of us ,p
<8> threeseas: element of consciousness?
<8> whatever, afk
<6> Physics... for every action there is an equal and opposit reaction... consciousness is required in order to comprehend higher level abstraction... and it is this that we base physical actions on... therefor abstractions reacted upon have a effect and an opposite reaction to.
<8> my consciousness is counteracted by lack of consciousness
<6> money is an abstraction as it really doesn't grow on trees, instead we created it based on abstractions of value
<6> lol
<7> Physics and scicoloy are not the same
<7> though one thing I do find intressing...
<7> they say life got started with anemio acids making protocells
<7> and evolved from them
<8> anemic acids.. oh yeah
<7> but protocells can't evolved, so did they evolve away to evolve?
<8> huh? protocells can't evolve?
<8> I think more important than cells is stuff like RNA and DNA
<6> Existance exist, but it is what exist in existance that can change. the same applies to consciousness, when it exist it exist absolute, but what exist in consciousness is a variable.
<8> i.e. what makes the cells grow.
<7> protocells do not have DNA or RNA
<7> protocells are not consider living
<7> all they do is self replact
<8> er.. ok
<8> how do they replicate
<8> if they have nothing like RNA or DNA
<7> Defty: they are protens that act like RNA it self.
<7> but, they can only make one type of proten
<7> and they don't use DNA to do it
<8> threeseas: BTW I think the lower the consciousness, that higher the abstraction.
<7> they basicly bond other ammio acids and the other ammio acid mirro that one, then it breaks away
<8> *the
<8> Shadow_mil: hmh .. interesting, but what makes it a cell?
<8> does it have a membrane?
<7> its not a cell, its a protocell
<8> threeseas: or, depends on what you call 'highed' consciousness. Like, the universe might be conscious, but I would call that pretty 'low level' compared to say, humans
<7> they call it a protocell because they think cells came from them
<8> k
<8> threeseas: i.e. the higher consciousness is knowledge of why the abstraction works
<8> threeseas: not just 'trusting' it
<8> kind of, integrating the events that belong together, to form the abstractable thing..
<8> and once you have the abstraction, you are effectively freed from being conscious about it
<6> Consciousness has many different definitions and this is a source of communication failure. I use it in terms of Julian Jaynes and the research he did regarding human history and the bucameral mind breakdown
<8> bucameral?
<8> bicameral?
<6> yeah bicameral
<8> lol, funny theory
<8> BTW, against that idea it's interesting that in a 'math brain' the brain sides "cooperate"
<6> Its really quite interesting. The tower of babel is such a story of the breakdown of the bicameral mind leading to consciousnes.
<8> hmh I think i've reached a "bicameral state" :p
<8> or something similar
<8> kinda like, you actively think a *lot* about something, but are unable to answer "why" it's important or something
<8> and can't even grasp well what it actually is
<6> you may have bicameral tendancies but for the most part we live in a society and population size requiring more unicameral or consciousness to exist
<8> it's like this huge inertive process, ... seems to do a lot of 'number crunching', ... Could even say that conscious thought is not nearly as efficient as something like that bicameral state
<8> (although it's much more efficient when you begin to question *what* you're doing)
<8> the society is clearly 'bicameral'
<8> (or multicameral, ..)
<8> I mean, multiple humans etc.
<8> Anyway, if you wanted to do a repetitive task, or use lots of 'procedural' thinking that you have learned really well (i.e., you're able to do it automatically, and not perform irrational errors)
<8> then it would be a great advantage to actually get rid of consciousness
<6> understanding how we came to have consciousness and the discovery of deception is required as a stepping stone to understanding how to master the beast... to actually fabricate AI or the by-product illusion of it.
<8> similar to learning when you sleep, or something.
<8> I think you need to have a stable, yet complex system
<6> bicameral mind is alomng the lines of fortune tell, seeiers, trances...etc...
<8> I think consciousness is the wrong term though.
<8> Having control of what is happening is different...
<6> it's population growth that causing man to advance past the bicameral mind and eventually it will cause the next step in human brain function to happen
<8> Consciousness happens in all those states..
<8> nah I don't think it's population growth.. you can be pretty conscious as a shaman who lives in Siberia ,p
<6> being awake and aware does not define consciousness, as a cave man running from a hungry tiger certainly know he exists.
<8> More like, ... technological advancement, excess resources, etc.
<8> ok i see
<8> But from that trance/etc. it seems to be that being able to "***ert" what is real is the biggest difference. Say your inner voice is commanding you, ... now, tell that voice to stfu.
<8> Almost seems like religion/praying/etc. would just be a mind control 'exercise' to increase coordination
<8> I.e, when you pray, you ask yourself to "communicate" between yourself
<8> (unify)
<8> Increase stability and be better able to distinguish between what's internal and external
<8> I mean, what's sensed, and what's... an 'inner thought'.
<8> So, the result is a system with i/o, and able to produce internal representations to use for filtering and stuff.
<8> threeseas: Ok, maybe population growth is the reason for *most* people to become conscious
<6> problem solving... and population growth creates problems needing solutions
<8> Just talking alone is constant and continuous problem solving
<6> The human mind is more powerful than generally recognized, it is capable of abstract thought but also its capable of generating patterns into the, what you might call, ether of existance that then can manifest into physical reality ... and this is different than what a computer can do... at least not untill we become aware of this well enough to create a device that can tap into this pattern generation ... thing
<8> First we had to survive. Computers don't. They're not just built to "survive". So, they have no on-going loop to develop anything similar.
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