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<0> anyone here used the opencv program?
<1> Yeah I have
<1> What about it
<0> what have you done with it?
<0> and.. why is my webcam delaying the image on the pc?
<1> Edge detection mostly
<0> of what?
<1> Of objects
<0> heh.. come on
<0> what objects?
<1> All sorts.. I was just experimenting
<0> ive looked at the examples
<1> What's wrong with web cam?
<0> and the laplase? and the motion detection look good
<1> Yeah
<0> theres a delay.. between what happens and the camera action
<1> Yes a slight delay
<1> Why... do you need it to be very fast
<0> for my robot im trying to make
<0> what sort of objects are you detecting?
<1> I see..
<1> Still objects
<0> with a moving camera?
<1> No... everything is stationary
<1> Hehe
<0> can you describe how you do it?
<1> You want your robot to play soccer or something?
<0> chase things .. yea
<1> That would be very difficult
<0> why?
<1> Web cam's reponse time
<0> so.. its the camera?
<1> It's on the order of 0.1 sec
<0> a dvr card would be quicker?
<1> I haven't tried that
<0> i have and the images are instant
<0> this webcam is slow
<1> Wow that's nice
<1> All webcams are slow
<0> it was a 20 dollar one.. so it was ok
<1> I have used many webcams
<1> All slow
<0> damn.. what causes that ?
<1> No idea...
<1> Maybe look for one with a higher frame rate
<0> they cost too much
<0> ive yet to program something that needs more framerates =)
<0> the samples dont seem to make much difference
<0> and im guessing image processing can be a very expensive task on cpu
<0> so.. the opencv program looks like a good choice for image processing _YKY_ ?
<1> Yeah I think so
<1> At least for still images which is what I did
<0> do you have a webcam?
<0> sorry.. silly question
<1> Yeah
<1> Heh
<0> theres a sample... aah.. laplase?
<1> Yeah I tried that too
<0> no good?
<1> For slowly moving things ... it's ok
<0> what objects?
<1> My hand etc
<0> the face recognition example was nice
<1> I don't remember face recognition
<1> There's one for motion tracking
<0> there was another example that allowed you to rubberband a moving point
<0> then it would keep it in focus
<1> Yeah that's the one
<0> that was pretty cool
<1> I think the CPU has enough processing speed
<1> The limit is web cam's framerate
<0> is that caused by usb?
<0> could usb2 help?
<1> No.. I think it's inherent in the cam
<0> so what are you using AI for _YKY_ ?
<0> must note.. the webcam was a better picture
<1> I'm no longer doing vision stuff
<0> ok.. so what do you do?
<1> Logic-based intelligent systems
<0> that could be anything
<0> you're a bit coy
<1> Common sense reasoning.. it is indeed everything
<0> you're using edge detection?
<1> Yeah
<1> Edge detection is not very useful if you want to chase things
<2> hey
<1> Hi AJC=)
<2> I notice AGI is quite busy these days
<1> Yeah I don't have time to read all the posts
<1> What do you think about OpenMind Commonsense?
<2> i don't have time to read them all either...
<2> not sure, haven't looked into it. is there an url?
<1> The project died.. the creator commited suicide
<1> You can read about it on wikipedia
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Mind_Common_Sense
<0> eww
<2> he must have found something!
<2> oh, i remember that... MIT project.
<0> the world is really flat!
<2> yeah, i think you should really be aquiring all that stuff automatically
<2> if you can't do it automatically, then there's no way this will scale to handling conversations
<0> trippy
<0> thats really dangerous
<1> The news said it was because of his health problems and "back pain"
<2> hmm, i have trouble identifying with people that commit suicide.
<0> im sure they dont talk much
<1> Me neither
<1> But his idea is good
<2> _YKY_: not sure about the idea, why not use data-mining over the huge collection of facts on the web?
<0> yea.. but if you hook something that learns up to the internet
<0> there's bound to be some results
<0> and i think some dangerous ones
<1> A lot of commonsense facts don't exist in the web
<1> The web contains "adult" information
<0> i had to take a subject in school about computing and ethics
<2> _YKY_: so do people
<2> i take your point about the implicit information though, i wonder how hard inference would be here
<1> We need some foundation upon which to crawl the web
<0> heh.. google it
<2> so OpenMind could be the basis for automated aquisition later
<0> whats openmind?
<2> crm_: read up, wikipedia link.
<1> It seems that openmind would be the first step
<0> yea.. well i think stuff that hooks up to the internet like that should be registered
<0> and monitored
<2> crm_: i disagree fundamentally
<0> why?
<2> registration and monitoring is a solution for the wrong problem
<2> and only hurts the people doing the work
<0> why?
<2> i don't mind having and respecting a Robots.txt file on each site, but that's as far as it goes.
<2> crm_: the web is free and accessible, why should i register?
<2> with whom should i register?
<0> dunno.. but are you building something that can learn from the internet?
<2> yeah, just like a human or child
<2> pay for the connection, that should be enough
<2> what are you afraid of?
<0> i dont figure it would be in anyones interest to hamper development
<0> but im guessing you've seen T2 and the matrix?
<0> and .. other movies where the machine poses a risk
<0> while i thought it was something out of sci fi movies
<2> heh
<0> the concept was an official subject at my uni
<2> well, a few points. 1) i doubt this technology will get that far anyway. 2) if it can do logical reasoning, then it'll be orthogonal to you connecting it to the internet or not. and 3) regulating it does not prevent problems from happening
<0> orthogonal?
<2> "independent of"
<0> nup
<0> you might be right.. dunno
<0> i think the subject is something special
<2> you also miss the point that T2 can't happen without someone making a killing machine! that's what you should be afraid of, the people in the military industrial complex :-)
<2> otherwise it's just a search engine
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