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<0> DanF_DrC: I'm not denying, I'm just offering possiblities. You're denying it was an imbalance. I am saying it could have been.
<1> docs basically know **** about the brain. remember electro shock therapy
<0> DanF_DrC: Exactly. What makes you think you're more of an expert? =]
<1> I see a pattern where they don't
<2> Heh, that could mean two different things depending on the inflection:
<0> As DanF_DrC might say: think think think think think
<2> Docs _KNOW_ **** about the brain.
<2> And Docs know _****_ about the brain.
<1> hehe
<1> you KNOW which one I meant
<2> You can just change the word order to emphasize a word.
<1> Andares, sad often has very straight forward reasons. loneliness, meaningless in life, feeling stuck, afraid of financial ruin, no success in various aspects, loss of family etc etc
<0> Well, I talk to you folks later
<1> cya
<0> Bye DanF_DrC
<0> And everyone else =]
<1> the brilliant part is that there is afaik always a way to get out. usually involves getting up and doing something about the sitaution. ***erting ones spirit when we don't feel like it. often we are lazy
<1> we try to hide from the problems making it worse
<1> sometimes it can be as simple as talking about it
<2> I suppossssse.
<1> which is largely why therapy works. in all the time of the discipline that's what they have come up with :)
<1> more or less. I exaggerate a bit :)
<3> bye x00q
<3> and everyone
<4> paros, you there?
<4> paros!
<4> I been looking for ya all day
<1> paros will be right here
<4> :)
<1> :)
<1> you could also PM him
<4> I have some questions about SOM NNs
<5> hi
<5> DanF_DrC Are you familiar with kohonen maps?
<4> omg DanF_DrC: your right, changing the topic will send him running
<5> DanF_DrC why do you keep removing my stuff from the topic line
<1> hehe
<5> and replacing it with some old thing about a car keeping track of a yellow line
<1> you mean the thing you removed :)
<1> I like that example because it shows how a simple technique can be applied simply with a very potent result and be the right philosophy to be worthy of the term AI
<5> ok
<5> yes i think its appropriate
<5> does the second link go to that lecture with the frenchman?
<1> I dislike the tokyo lectures (but we can have them in the topic) because they are more mood than anything scientifically relevant
<1> LeCun? yes
<1> I wish the tokyo lectures would be what the mood implies of a global AI conference because I believe in the power of video and it's in good spirit to get together over a common issue. but it's a high standard to require
<6> I didn't see all of them.
<6> just saw the first one
<1> I looked at the titles a picked out 1 or 2
<1> and*
<4> paros: http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test.php?clr=1&t=0&g=50 <--thats my kohonen map without any training
<4> dark the square the better the match
<4> http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test.php?clr=1&t=100&g=50 That will make a new map with 100 training loops
<4> paros!
<1> hehe
<4> GET YOU @$$ BACK IN HERE PAROS!
<5> DanF_DrC Did you watch the last 3 lectures?
<1> not all. I think some of them
<5> DanF_DrC watch the last 3 where the japanese come out
<5> Shadow_mil I see there is a cluster building up in one area
<4> is that how it should work
<4> ?
<4> http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test2.php?clr=1&t=0&g=10 -> http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test2.php?clr=1&t=50&g=10
<4> That looks cool
<4> Thats where the input is high out of the range of the weights
<5> Shadow_mil Well you have to color your data and then draw up a map where each color goes.
<5> Otherwise, you have to make many of these pics with different inputs to show the cluster it belongs to
<4> paros: this is not with one color, this is with raw numerical input
<4> (random)
<5> what does the color represent in each node?
<4> paros: its match percent, well techelly I am justing the distance, the lower the distance (the match) of the node, the dark it is
<4> so black is high high match, and white is almost no match
<4> I could... do color though the weights...
<4> Hmmm
<4> sweet I made #inf.1
<4> 8)
<4> http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test.php?clr=1&t=5&g=4
<4> Is that more of what you were thinking?
<4> http://71.28.112.12/nn/som/test.php?clr=1&t=5&g=4
<4> paros...
<7> <kool-aid@ef> wh? paros?
<4> why is it that my maps favor one color over another?
<4> kool-aid: because as a kid I never drank kool-aid
<4> kool-aid: whats a good why to determine the gamma needed for a SOM?
<7> <kool-aid@ef> I havent the foggiest idea.
<7> <kool-aid@ef> and I didnt drink koolaid as a kid either
<7> <kool-aid@ef> it's something I discovered in adulthood
<4> Guessed you liked it?
<4> for some reason I *LOVE* instance lemonaid
<4> I once drank like 5 gallons of it in a week, then I had to go to the hospital
<7> <kool-aid@ef> why
<4> It make me pee blood and my pums bleed
<4> they said I had critis acid poisioning or something like that
<5> what?
<5> lemonade?
<5> Shadow_mil ok so you need to make more pics like that with different samples
<5> see if the cloud moves around
<4> thats a one color input
<7> <kool-aid@ef> interesting.. some ppl use lemonade when they're cleansing their systems
<7> <kool-aid@ef> were you doing a fast?
<4> 5 gallons in a week
<4> thats like a gallon a day
<4> most people don't drink a gallon of anything in a week
<7> <kool-aid@ef> yeah use filtered water next time
<7> <kool-aid@ef> I wouldnt drink a gallon of koolaid in a week
<7> <kool-aid@ef> well, maybe a week
<7> <kool-aid@ef> not a day though
<5> how much do you weigh
<4> me?
<7> <kool-aid@ef> when I drink kool-aid all the time and eat fried foods I get all the way up to 250
<7> <kool-aid@ef> if you're asking me, that is.
<7> <kool-aid@ef> right now I'm a relatively svelte 170.
<5> Shadow_mil yeh how much did you weigh when you were drinking this lemonade
<4> 230
<5> Shadow_mil where are you from
<4> USA
<4> What's your favorite *** position?
<1> hmm
<1> are you confusing paros with paris hilton or some other hormonal disturbance?
<7> <kool-aid@ef> too much Kool-Aid brand lemonade.
<8> hey Dan, i managed to carve out a few hours to code tonight, and wrote most of the move generator
<1> good
<1> off to bed. laters all
<1> btw paros, lecture 9 seems to be quite ok. not so much AI but interesting insight into what goes on in terms of robotics (humanoid). foolish that they felt the need to remove some of the video clips from it. that's petty
<5> yeh i was disappointed with the copyright stuff
<7> <geko@ef> ls
<9> "ls"?
<7> <geko@ef> wrong terminal window :)
<9> hehe
<10> man, civilization 4 is addictive ;-)
<10> and the title music is awesome
<11> hi
<10> hi
<11> whats up
<11> chessguy: http://scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00010347-101C-14C1-8F9E83414B7F4945
<11> havent read it yet but it's about chess :)
<3> ah, loved that article :)
<8> hi guys
<8> i think i read this
<8> ah, yes
<8> nothing really new there, if i recall
<8> the studies by de groot have been around for a long time
<11> they always talk about this limit of 7 short time memories
<11> do those have a specific location in the brain
<11> should be easy to spot if it's 7 regions that are almost the same
<8> are you asking me?
<0> hippocampus
<0> actually, they might not be stored /in/ the hippocampus now that I think about it
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