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<0> are you alive?
<1> hello. someone can tell me where can I get some info/book about AIML, please?
<2> sorry don't know. not sure it's good for much though
<2> ah he left
<3> how was built WordNet, i.e., what kind of software it used to made WordNet data (data.noun, ...)
<4> Anyone up for some philosophical conversation?
<5> maybe :)
<4> Would you look at this and tell me what you see?
<5> if it gets too deep I may lose interest :)
<4> http://www.google.com/trends?q=love%2Cdeath%2Cmoney%2C***%2Cfood&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
<5> i see a google trends history
<4> Yes, but the relative rankings of the amount of searches and news references.
<4> They're exactly opposite.
<5> *** is taboo, won't find it in the news too much or discussed too openly, but everyone is keenly interested in it
<4> Money isn't taboo yet nobody is all that interested.
<4> We are but in a different way.
<5> i think we may be looking at different populations here
<5> for example, i would hypothesize that the search crowd is on avg younger than the audience targeted with news
<4> You're a whole lot smarter than I expected you to be.
<4> Or that you lead me to believe that you were.
<5> LOL not sure what to make of that
<5> not aware of having done any active leading... :)
<2> AI_coder, what are opposite? I don't see any particular correlations
<4> Well the graph on top is the search volume the most searched term is *** then love, food, death and last money. The news references are in the opposite volume.
<4> The graph below shows the amount of news a particular term is making.
<2> not sure if we see the same data but I see no correlation between news and google curves
<4> Look harder...
<2> hehe you might argue that the two biggest peaks in *** are matched by two dips in news but that holds only if you ignore the rest of the graph
<4> Perhaps you're seeing all the trees and not the forest. I'm talking about the integration of the search volumes per time.
<2> I don't have such a graph. I have a search volume vs time graph for 5 topics of both google and news
<4> Just eyeball it.
<2> there is nothing to see
<4> That's ok it's not all that important really, anyway, what do you believe is pertinent to your success?
<2> people making sense
<4> Being pleasing to others or beautiful in a sense? The lack of being perceived as ugly? The ability to control resources?
<2> what are you talking about?
<4> DanF_DrC: I believe it's about observing yourself in relation to your society.
<2> ok. try temet nosce
<4> Nice phrase...
<4> You've taken latin before?
<2> nope
<2> but that's your key to success I believe
<4> Do you believe that to be a universal key?
<2> yes
<4> What could you observe external to yourself to accomplice Temet Nosce?
<2> are you a bot? or trying to behave like one
<2> do you know what it means?
<4> DanF_DrC: Of course I do, do you?
<2> gotta do better if you want my time
<4> DanF_DrC: Actually I just see a chimpanzee that is begging for attention in front of me.
<5> let's talk about AI instead of attacking each other :)
<5> anyone working on general ai here?
<2> I used to
<5> why no more? and did you accomplish anything significant?
<6> general ai == strong ai? :p
<2> strong ai is a messy term iirc
<5> i meant it in the sense of "not narrow AI" (which in my mind isn't AI, but useless to rail against popular use of the term)
<6> yeah, that is what i have read is the def. for strong ai..afaik
<6> that is, not narrow/specialised
<2> athena, I think so. I became concerned with the consequences if I took it further. war use etc. also other more pressing matters came up. God and ufos to put it bluntly
<6> hmm, did u do any papers ?:)
<6> so we can catch the details of your work :p
<2> not of the latest work
<2> but it's simply backprop neural nets used in what is called auto***ociation where unsupervised learning is accomplished in the middle layers. takes a certain insight to make use of that but that's it
<6> ah nice, a pal of mine did something like that in his master thesis
<2> seems very few appreciate the power of the concept unsupervised learning
<2> indeed. is it online?
<6> hmm doubt it
<2> ok. do you know the title+
<2> ?
<6> yeah, gimme 5 :)
<6> actually the pdf didnt include the first page, but here is a quote from the abstract
<6> "The experiments involve a Reverberated Simple Recurrent Network which is
<6> trained on multiple sequences with memory reinforcement by means of self-generated
<6> pseudopatterns. My focus will be on the implications of how differentiated learning
<6> speeds affect the level of forgetting, without explicit training on the data used to form
<6> the existing memory."
<6> ops :p
<7> anyone know how to use neural nets for image recognition?
<6> xp_ hebbian learning, with fully connected rectangular nets is often used :)
<7> have you done it?
<6> yup
<7> will you tutor me how to do that if I pay you?
<6> hehe, nah :P
<4> Wow, people must come here to gloat because they can't admit their research hasn't accomplished anything. Wars and UFO's my foot.
<7> why not?!
<6> i can prob give you some slides though
<7> I need tutoring man
<4> This has turned in #ai-willsmith-style
<4> UFO's just sound important to dumb***ses I suppose.
<6> http://www.idi.ntnu.no/emner/it3708/files/lectures/03_***ociative.pdf
<6> http://www.idi.ntnu.no/emner/it3708/lectures.php is the whole lot
<6> dl before the end of this summer though, the site is about to get updated :p
<4> Anyone else having problems with cows getting zapped by aliens that board UFO's in their crop circles? Any rectal probes lately DanF_DrC?
<4> Damn I knew the War of the Worlds was going to come true! Damn you HG Wells and Steven Spielberg!
<2> epic, it's not the same topic as what I was talking about but both neural nets of course
<6> yeah
<6> but its quite interesting
<6> pseudo patterns
<2> you mean it sounds interesting :)
<6> used to learn a net two things, without "forgetting" the first :)
<2> xp_, it depends on what kind of recognition you want. general image recognition had not yet been done (in a known public project at least)
<7> anyone want to tutor me on neural nets here for money?
<2> I can help you but I will only take your money if you are very wealthy
<7> heh
<7> I am not very wealthy
<2> there we are : )
<7> I am excited for the singularity and want to prepare you
<2> you want to help me?
<7> I mean prepare myself
<6> hmm, i think tutoring via irc would be crappy :p
<5> xp_: by definition, it isn't something you can prepare yourself for
<2> that's easily done then. singularity is an empty buzzword created by some scifi writer or something
<6> hehe true :)
<2> epic, I have done it more than once. can easily work
<2> but depends on the quality of the tutor and pupil
<7> what language do you like for tutoring with DanF?
<2> english works : )
<2> the programming details are up to the helpee
<7> I mean the programming language
<4> xp_: Do you want a job?
<2> I use c++ myself but you can choose whatever language you would like. if you are starting from scratch I would probably recommend delphi
<2> xp_, he's trolling. just ignore him
<4> Don't use old stupid pascal delphi.
<7> well I already have a job
<7> I am not trolling either
<4> xp_: We know you aren't.
<4> xp_: DanF_DrC has been accusing everyon of that.
<7> well I have a dream of creating a really cool expert system
<4> xp_: What skills do you have?
<7> mba, mscs, bscs, tought c++ at the university level both beginning and intermediate, perl, html, sql, j2ee, etc...
<4> I bet teaching those programming cl***es shaved a few years off of your life.
<7> currently doing much python, postgres, and perl
<7> ya it did
<7> very stressful
<7> esepcially with non-traditional studetns
<4> Wow, traditional students are a pain I couldn't imagine older ones that are even more stubborn with age.
<7> exactly
<7> had a lady crying in my office, failed over half of them, then got in trouble for that
<7> **** grade inflation
<2> sounds great
<4> xp_: That's what I'm talking about, if it isn't an educators job to prepare students for the job then what is it?
<2> xp, http://www.df-cad.dk/web/ai/[Mitchell]MachineLearning(page80-104-neuralnets).zip
<4> To hand out meaningless degrees?
<7> you sound like a teacher to me
<7> the college just wants warm bodies to make the money
<4> xp_: Actually I've just finished 5 years of school I graduate this fall, but I've argued with almost every teacher I've had that wasn't worth a damn.
<7> and professors who will rubber stamp them
<4> I know what their job is like by talking to them a lot.
<7> ya it is very political unfortunately
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