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<0> just get the microsoft Media Encoder
<0> it's very cool
<1> cuts out towards end of each slide.. so the commentater has to guess the lag
<0> i got a ****ty $20 dollar microphone, and it sounds ok..
<1> my friend here sings and so she buys those mics 150$ and 75$ .. they dont sound very good.. durring some of the recording i didnt know the mic was on.. so your getting "search for atlantius" documentary.. try to capture the MS speech synthsizer that lets the bots talk
<0> lol, the way Kino pronounces AIML sounds like anal
<1> he's in here atm
<1> hehe wll his mic distorts
<1> oh n/m he left for school
<0> it's kind of surreal having a violent deathmatch bot answering trivia questions like on Who Wants to Be A Millionaire
<1> lol
<1> the invokation broker i used for the game specific questions was being refactored two day sbefore we had to make the video so it took 4 seconds * 303 objects for each interation
<1> iteration.. so.. "what can you see" looped each object and did a target line of sight
<0> how long does it usually take?
<0> aah, that's where the computation went
<1> about total of 4 secobnds
<1> but what i got going on now i think i can elimiate the overhead.. actually its the redirection of the print writter giving debug in the output window
<1> if i hold the scrolller up its instant
<1> well it doesnt even know its not being looked at when its not eigthyer
<0> BURC sounds cool :-)
<0> WEKA sounds cool too!
<0> WAC sounds... crazy :P
<1> weka is based off rule inductions
<1> which is where cyc can borker the statisical analysis and even make them into real first cl*** resolution theorems
<1> so some of this can go into the induction of game cl***es
<0> interesting spam application
<0> though i'm wondering how it relates to doom 3, maybe seperate the video?
<1> well its mainly to show AAAI people that people outside cycorp are ussing research cyc
<0> i see
<1> each one really deserve technical overviews
<1> erm their own videos
<0> i'm still stumped on the primary goal/benefit of Cyc
<0> it's an inference engine right?
<1> right but also an application framework
<1> for running lisp programs all from the same data
<1> so you get the benifit of multiagent sharing of the same things.. w/o that data multplied over the number of agents
<0> they help with distributing computation?
<1> and you have design stability in that the applications can configure each otehr
<1> not yet.. no one really does that
<1> i mean everyone wants to
<1> i mean no perfect solution to distrubuted accroosed computers
<1> but yeah.. all the agents can
<1> and cycs on differnt machines can call remotely though .. i just mean a transparent multimachine solution
<0> what does the cyc app framework compare to? are there similar approaches to this problem?
<1> it sorta wokrs arround that problem becasue they all run in the same instance.. where normally they be spread accrosed instances
<1> probly any multithreaded language
<1> probly compares well to SQL
<0> is it done with coroutines/continuatinos rather than threads?
<1> where you have a real programming language etc.. except this is lispish
<0> ah, so the queries are paralelised
<1> yes.. and chaaced .. tabled.. pooled
<1> some queries happen so much it lears to jjust make a table cache.. and it puts in hooks for inerts that expire or update very sparingly
<1> some queries happen so much it learns to just make a table cache.. and it puts in hooks for inserts that expire or update very sparingly
<0> what did you mean by self-configuring?
<1> well certain things like a tree of inheritance gets updated very ittle
<1> oh in the video?
<1> the update for eample of cyc_bot_1 he is a idAI.cl*** so his inheritance is a singlton lookup
<1> he doesnt store his parents cl***es
<1> learns to just make a table cache = someone told it actually
<0> i see
<1> but it can forward deduce that certain relations should be done
<1> like faceting colklections always do it on instances.. intestional collections.. cache on parent/child
<1> intensional
<1> so you dont tell it to do it.. specifically.. but it can figure that out
<1> so cyc is a best case application persistence thing
<1> browsable etc.. people will make tools for poking arround the general data.. which means any apps you make are readable by other ai like apps
<0> like you were asking me earlier, everything can be introspected?
<1> and someone will eventaully boost your apps abilites becasue they will maintain your datastore in ways you hadnt thought to update it
<1> everything
<0> the problem with people using this extensively is that it's based on lips, and people have an irrational fear against it
<1> so even though it has a histroy in solid expert systems.. but nothing makes it a non NN system
<1> you statically link in your C code
<1> or dynaically load it
<1> and you can incase it in your own threads
<1> well i mean their threads system
<1> or yours to.. if you wish
<1> since the lisp code gets totally turned to C version before they compile it.. however .. their is a leftover lisp interpro that meta interps for user runtime loaded code
<0> yeah, they can't possibly compile everything
<1> and even sparts of the database can call C or Lisp hooks into C
<0> what lisp do they use?
<1> internally Alegro.. for day to day debugging.. i treat it though as EcoLISP
<0> is that available freely?
<1> its proceedural small subset lisp that goes easy to C act5ually so things like the package system etc is "not supported" but bits and peices still remain
<1> just nneed to sign NDA
<0> lol
<1> you send a 1-5 paragraph what you want it for
<0> not exactly open-source :-)
<1> well they have a 20/80 policy
<1> if its mostly your code you get 80% .. if you ever care to try to make profit
<0> i see
<1> they definately wont force you to go out and sell.. if you give it awya freely .. they dont care
<1> when its ready to ship.. you and them figure out what to tweak in Opencyc so you could have used that
<1> then opencyc gets better
<1> then your totally off the hook
<1> you made me totally realize i can make the methods in BeanShell for each entity.. and just need to make a little text editor for each method
<2> dmiles_afk, wouldn't it be possible to compress that text slide show to something slightly less than 340MB for 5 minutes?
<0> it's 24 minutes, with full 3D
<0> it could be around 50 Mb though
<3> doom3 video?
<0> about half is doom3
<3> is there any explanation of what it's about etc.?
<3> or maybe it's just self-explanatory. have to see for myself :)
<0> it's about opencyc, and how it can be applied generally
<0> including to doom3
<3> so.. the 'concepts' include perception of 3d etc.?
<3> or how much glue (as in, extracting features or something) is there to be able to apply opencyc..
<0> there'1s a lot of glue in this case, it's not a trivial example
<0> and they did it in java
<3> yep, sounded like it, the "bean" stuff.
<3> Is opencyc something worth to learn only for a general interest?
<3> (in AI)
<3> that whole thing looks like "cl***ical" AI to me
<3> I mean, pure logic or similar.
<3> (ok, i'll read the tutorial and not bother you people further)
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