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<0> vogeltje: Yeah, someone from efnet spammed the channel so badly that cwenner had to ban the bot.
<1> are you talking about all the random blocks of colour spammed by the ai relay?
<2> i thought i unbanned it
<2> the bot is not banned, it should be able to join unless I'm mistaken
<3> yeah i dont know why its not working
<3> but i thought id alert you to the fact that its not ;]
<3> the bot is in the channel
<3> but ya
<3> it needs to rejoin here
<4> hey guys i need some help with a sentence in a scientific paper -> http://upetd.up.ac.za/thesis/available/etd-12072004-074439/unrestricted/00dissertation.pdf ! page 31 Local Best (LBest) line 3 -> one-dimensional lattice structure ! what is a lattice in this situation ?
<5> a partially ordered set?
<4> icez: i am trying to find a way to represent it any idea ?
<5> mmm
<5> I looked up lattice on wikipedia and there's a nice picture
<4> icez: i remember to see a lot of areas telling about it
<4> icez: they say in that paragraph that a neighoor will compare its performance against its immediatly left and right-sided neighoor
<4> icez: did that means that in the structure which vertex can only have two connections ?
<4> each vertex i mean
<5> I guess so
<4> icez: i think its a bit limitated
<4> icez: some other guys have used a 6 dimension hipercube
<4> icez: so it means each vertex had 6 connections
<4> icez: in a total of 64 vertices
<4> icez: one think that i know is if neighbourhood size equal to n. vertices so its Gbest
<4> icez: so maybe if a say i have a neighbourhood of 3 vertices than this vertices are totally connected between them
<4> icez: well i have to go see ya thanks for the help ;)
<2> anyone know keywords or some resources for pathfinding in the case when edges has both a cost and a probability of being traversable and you do not know the traversability outcome til you reach the edge? (or alternatively, a distribution of costs [0, inf]). does not seem to be stochastic pathfinding
<6> hey can i post a song here so you can tell me what do you think about it?
<7> no, but you could try #freedb
<6> even #ai is more active than that channel
<7> hehe, tell me about it.
<7> they're all still p*ss*d about me setting up tracktype.org so nobody's on speaking terms with anybody anymore.
<7> however they others don't have lives so they kept the channel going.
<7> the only reason i'm still there is to annoy them.
<7> by the way itay390, the reason that tracktype.org is so fast is because of all the AI software that's under the hood. ;)
<6> AI software that's under the hood?
<7> yeah. it's no ordinary search engine.
<7> it's handling 10 full text search queries per second in a database of 30 million titles on a server that's 8 years old. :)
<6> nice
<7> lol. look at that. the stupid prick just banned me. what a childish little jerk.
<8> hi
<6> well horar i think your'e the one who's wrong in this case
<7> how so?
<7> i take it they decided to start talking again after they banned me from the channel.
<7> it's been 8 months, i would have thought they'd gotten over it by now.
<6> even tho its a source code you shouldn't use it for commercial purposes
<7> excuse me?
<7> what source code?
<6> freedb 1
<7> freedb 1? that software is utter crap. i've never even looked at it.
<7> if you are talking about freedb2 or tracktype.org as it is called now, that was totally written from scratch by myself with no help from anybody.
<6> ok, even so , he said they provided you with info
<6> they trusted you, they provided you with info . and look what you did
<7> i've got complete logs. they didn't provide me with anything except some of the old public archives.
<6> you were a triator
<7> on the contrary.
<7> however if there is any possibility of resolving anything i'd sure like to explore it.
<7> as for yourself, we've only just met. i wouldn't like you to go away with the wrong idea, but it's up to you whether or not you want to hear about it from me.
<6> you shouldn't even contact them if you wanted it to be commercial
<7> for crying out loud, it is not commercial!
<7> i *donated* thousands of my own dollars and hundreds of hours of my time to that project. the sponsorship and the google ads don't even cover the ongoing cost of the bandwidth that it takes to operate it.
<7> that service will remain free and unrestrictied to everyone.
<6> do you call your project "freedb2"?
<7> now take a moment to consider how i feel if what i just said was true. please.
<6> do you call your project "freedb2"?
<7> no i changed the name to tracktype.org after the kerfuffle last year.
<7> unfortunately for a long time it was going to be called freedb2 and there are still some people who know it as that.
<7> personally i always thought that as a name, freedb ****ed and freedb2 ****ed even worse.
<6> well thats another problem
<7> may we go private so we can talk about this without taking the channel off topic?
<6> how would you think if someone's taking your product, advancing it, before you could sell it and make it commercial, use exactly the same name and post it free on the internet?
<6> you used exactly the same name and posted it freely on the internet
<6> before they could sell it and make it commercial
<7> who was making what commercial?
<6> that means - it is you who stole their money
<7> are you saying that freedb was going to go commercial?
<7> who are you?
<6> im itay390
<6> yes , that what that... jeoge or whatever his name was told me
<7> until you stop hiding behind anonymity i'll have to ***ume that you're just a troll.
<6> no, i am not a troll. i am someone who's judging you for your wrong decisions
<7> and how many places have you obtained your information?
<6> jeoge told me everything
<7> that bit about freedb going commercial is completely new to me. i never heard that allegation before.
<7> joerge could not have told you everything because joerge does not know everything, any more than i do.
<6> that what i understood. if it even wasn't going to get commercial - you are still have the sin of calling your project the same as the original project was
<6> and inbetween, getting support of the original project team for making a new project is inmoral too.
<7> so it's a sin now? i took freedb2.org because at the time it was the only variation on freedb.org that had not been taken by domain squatters and joerg specifically did not want me to use freedb.org for the sql version of the database.
<7> up until early june last year, it was supposed to be replacement for the crap software that they'd been using all that time.
<7> when the so-called team fell apart because of its own apathy and incompetence they seized upon my involvement as an excuse to try to avoid looking like such totally incompetent ****wits themselves.
<7> for my own part i spent 18 months of my own time developing that software and i was damned if i was going to let that effort go to waste.
<6> but you made them to think you were on their side, but the end you abandoned them and opened a new site, well thats a pretty immoral to me
<7> i wrote it so that the music loving community would have a decent server to access.
<7> i was on their side. i could still be on their side, although there is a hell of a lot of water under the bridge now. and by the way, you're getting a bit repetitive.
<7> you don't have a case and even if you aren't willing to stick around and be set straight on this, check back in a year or two.
<7> time will show who's telling the truth.
<6> if you were right , if you were on their side, how come you didn't release all the source code they asked from you? and you didn't respond to their emails?
<7> i think the fact that tracktype.org is serving well over one million requests per week now says that there are a hell of a lot of people on the net who approve of how things panned out.
<7> up until december 2005 i was releasing all the source code and it is still all available with detailed documentation on my website at http://asmith.id.au/freedb.html and the subsequent pages.
<7> however after a year of giving them source code that they never looked at and never bothered to use or test i got bit tired of that and lost interest.
<7> when i did do some more work a few months later i gave them the source code for that too, but they were so apathetic and uninterested that they didn't even keep copies of it.
<7> i had no idea that they were planning to sell all my source code that i had written for free to someone else, until kaiser suddenly got interested in it.
<7> i'd been working on it for 18 months without talking to him, and suddenly he wanted everything instantly! wouldn't you smell a rat in those circumstances?
<7> up until you mentioned it a short time ago, i ***umed that the only reason the site got sold was because kaiser was too incompetent to operate it.
<7> now you have effectively told me that they were planning to sell all my software without telling me.
<7> thanks itay390, that's really useful information.
<6> not your softare
<6> freedb1
<6> their software
<7> they can do whatever they want with that garbage code.
<7> mind you, it's not like they ever managed to do anything much with it themselves.
<7> they were either too incompetent (joerge, kaiser) or too drunk (ari) to actually make any real improvements to it.
<9> Hi folks. I am not sure if this is the right place to ask. But I am looking for a little help with Neural Networks ?
<7> Milesy: ask DanF_DrC i believe he's a big fan of neural networks.
<6> anyways, you'll have to get updated in the #freedb channel
<6> so you could know what you have done wrong
<6> however that "kaiser" indeed sounds fishy to me
<2> go on, Milesy
<7> lol, do you think so?
<7> i thing that really bugged me about kaiser was that poor joerge worked his *** off to make freedb.org into something all those years while kaiser did nothing... but kaiser kept all the money (there was a lot of it) and spent it on himself.
<7> that more than anything is what makes me so angry and is why i refused to cooperate with him.
<9> I wrote a program a few years back that implemented Oja's learning rule, but I cannot find where I sourced the algorithm from. I have since found another site showing an equation to represent it which is slightly different though
<7> itay390: may i ***ume that you are cutting and pasting all this between channels? that would be kind of funny if you were.
<6> im not even in #freedb
<6> i already quit from there
<7> lol, you aren't either.
<7> i'm sorry you got stuck in the middle of this very messy argument. i hope it has at least been entertaining for you.
<6> why people even need this database? don't they have mp3.com for album records search?
<7> there's a whole bunch of them nowadays.
<6> ?
<7> mp3.com was shut down and destroyed. it was a music distributor though for independent artists. not a metadata source.
<7> gracenote (cddb) was the original one, but after that went commercial musicbrainz.org was started.
<6> mp3 is alive and kicking
<7> not long after that drew streib set up freedb.org for kaiser
<6> mp3.com
<7> is it really? awesome... i'll go take a look.
<6> strange, it were online since i remember myself
<7> mp3.com.. maybe i'm thinking of mp3.org or something. i downloaded and paid for a lot of independent artist's music from mp3.*** before it changed hands.
<7> anyway music databases... the non-commercial ones are musicbrainz.org, gnudb.org (a direct copy of freedb.org), tracktype.org, freedb.org (for the time being) and musicip.com which i believe is the fastest growing source on the net now.
<7> because of all the competition, gracenote has had to soften its policy too, so hopefully there'll be some justice in the long run.
<10> Milesy: I haven't heard of Oja's update rule. there are a few articles on google schoolar. perhaps the "constrained and independent components in neural networks" contains the update rule? he also references 6 other of his articles there. the earliest one from 82
<10> The Oja's rule is given by
<10> -dw-(t ) - P { y ( t ) z ( t )- y 2 ( t ) w ( t ) } .
<10> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel3/4494/12742/00588042.pdf?arnumber=588042
<10> referencing E. Oja, A simplified neuron model as a principal component
<10> analyzer, J. Math. Biology, vol. 15, pp. 267-
<10> 273, 1982.
<10> should perhaps rewrite that: d\vec{w}(t) / dt = \beta \{ y(t) \vec{z}(t) - y^2(t) \vec{w}(t) } where y is the output, w the weight vector and z an input vector
<10> y(t) is the output, w(t) the weight vector and z(t) the input vector i mean, ( y(t) = \vec{w} (transposed) (t) * \vec{z}(t) )
<9> back. sorry. did anyone answer my question by any chance.
<10> Milesy: I haven't heard of Oja's update rule. there are a few articles on google schoolar. perhaps the "constrained and independent components in neural networks" contains the update rule? he also references 6 other of his articles there. the earliest one from 82
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