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<0> hi
<1> wh***up
<0> heya Chessguy.
<0> what's happening dude?
<1> eh, nothin
<0> do you play chess?
<1> been known to play a game or two
<1> these days i'm more interested in chess AI
<0> ok.
<0> i like the man vs machine.
<0> i wish that they had more of that.
<0> gzl, hey fellow new yorker.
<2> hi
<3> H'lo all. Intersting question?: Anyone made an expert system on how to make an expert system?
<1> say what?
<1> AI that can make AI?
<3> chessguy: expert system is only an logic deduction web/tree that has been constructed by someone not aquired or elvolved through senorium-modality data
<1> hablas ingles por favor?
<3> chessguy: well, you know idiot savants, yes?
<1> sure
<3> chessguy: expert systems are bit like them except they dont generaly learn
<4> Wow, Code::Blocks is nice
<5> Zarutian, I don't think there is such a limitation in the concept. expert system is one that has some expertise. I don't think the technique is prescribed
<5> lt cmd data would qualify as an expert system
<0> how about c3po?
<5> obviously
<0> k
<6> if someone needed a virtual workld for testing an AI .. i wonder what they'd use?
<5> I think I saw one such product a while back but can't remember anything solid about it
<6> i am ***embling a logical view pout of the MUD core file for starttrek
<6> i have the room names.. but have to somehow deduce what the rooms are
<6> when i get done i need to push this information into some game server
<6> right now i am ussing doom3
<6> i pushed the cartesian outline so at least you move in what seems organised like the spaceship
<6> but each room has objects in descriptions that i have to turn to realworld objects
<6> i think thas why a year ago i got into parsing
<6> well start getting into coding it
<5> that didn't make a lot of sense to me
<6> i am saying i think i have part of a solution.. but so far not a good method for extracting cartesian veiws of Text descriptions.. well hardly anyone has
<6> i am varying quite a bit from my orginal question
<5> what does 'cartesian view of text description' mean?
<1> do you have an example of a text description and what you want to extract from it?
<6> it means x,yz placements of objects in a 3d world
<6> sure one sec
<6> [Mon](relationAllInstance definiteDescriptions NpcCol1012 "A nervous looking ensign is standing here, watching you")
<6> http://24.113.145.203/cgi-bin/cyccgi/cg?cb-start|cb-c-total&c163359
<6> i'll make a grouyp p***word for this channel.. just a sec
<6> irc/ai
<6> =user/p***
<1> doesn't work
<6> the ugly thing is some of the page javascript gets funky becasue appache p***true
<6> i'll confirm myself
<6> is this working?
<6> http://24.113.145.203/cgi-bin/cyccgi/cg?cb-echo
<1> yes, it says Echo of ARGS
<6> ok good.. its just my lack of smart use of appache sometime
<6> least it gives me a good reason to fix it
<1> the irc/ai still doesn't work though
<7> hello
<6> i am still figuring out if i used the wrong htp***wd file ;)
<6> ah.. Require user rcyc dmiles
<6> restarting appache now
<7> anyone doing ai projects now
<6> yes
<7> im interested what is it on?
<6> i am using Cyc to represnt a startrek world then goiong to make it playable in a game
<7> oh
<6> the AI is probly firstly going to be just the computer figuring out what the world is.. not doing play by play thinking ATM
<6> i wish i was ussing something lighter wiegth then doom3 .. but oom3 had good models
<6> http://24.113.145.203/cgi-bin/cyccgi/cg?cb-start|cb-cf&c163322 is the information i am putting in to help it deduce
<6> might need to click "all ***erted knowledge"
<6> the left pain with the numnber 322
<6> things like: [Mon](doomCollectionToProperty PlasticFoodContainer
<6> (BindingFn "moveable_burgerboxclose" "cl***name"))
<7> hmm
<6> PlasticFoodContainer is the CYC knows about that the other stuff is what i have to instance in the game
<6> once the program can make whatever is in the database "be in the game"
<6> it will be a matter of manipulating the database
<6> so that AI can be written in any language
<6> the database program is writtebn in lisp
<7> so its still frameworrk
<1> i'm quite confused about what you're doing
<7> common lissp dmiles ?
<6> yes framwework .. not common lisp.. but i am making an emulator for CLK
<1> sounds really interesting though
<6> erm CL.. it has some features.. but i had to write in &key nd &whole
<6> and created a debugable version of defun
<6> it is.. but kinda a loney project.. so thats why i am talking about it here
<7> i like cl
<7> but i dont i worry about using it for ai projects
<6> sec while i get you the code i use to make it more CLisj
<7> clij?
<6> http://24.113.145.203/manual/root/opt/researchcyc-1.0/server/cyc/run/ -> commmon.lisp
<6> erm two ms
<4> hey all.
<7> "Sometimes it is hard to port your Common Lisp applications to SubL.
<7> Until you do, you will not be able to translate-block-it with Cyc's internal translate-blockr."?
<8> doug check your privmsg when you get a sec
<7> i dont understand why things must be written in subl
<6> k
<6> one sec
<6> we should unban relay
<6> erm relay unless we have a good reason
<6> it was probly just some user on efnet that they couldnt get rid of
<4> Yeah.
<6> so they banned relay bot
<6> well Captain_Fourier they litterly tranlate all SubL to C
<6> before they compile cyc
<7> ah i see
<6> brb .. GF needs help with her computer.. i hoe you guys arround
<7> hoe?
<5> :)
<7> what happened to drchandra?
<0> have any of you used wordnet?
<4> Ooh wordnet is cool.
<4> But confusing.
<1> what would you use something like that for?
<5> Captain_Fourier, that would be me
<7> hey
<5> hi
<7> whats your current research?
<6> ok back
<6> Captain_Fourier. neat you know enough aboput lisp
<5> nothing in AI. looking into some physics
<7> i like to think im competent
<6> my first lisp project has been writting that!
<7> thats painful
<6> hehe
<4> Cool.
<7> im thinking of reimplimenting metacat
<6> Metacat's self-watching mechanisms enable it to create much richer representations of analogies, allowing it to compare and contrast answers in an insightful way.
<4> What's Metacat?
<6> i belive AI is achived when someone write a probram that confuses itself with those who it sees
<6> when the man sees a bird fly and thinks its him.. eventually backchaining how the bitrd could have been him
<5> I mean no offense but you kid yourself
<7> who me?
<5> no dmiles
<6> the analogy based idea
<7> I just think the idea is much more broad and fluid that these logical circuits
<5> too fluid
<6> computers can be made to do the same process.. to have a vicarious identity evetually that identity is some program that tries to be everything it observed
<7> fluid thinking gives you more domains to attack a problem from
<5> maybe the ability to mimic is more AI than just the idea of mimic
<5> is the who. not just the name
<5> sorry
<5> it's the how
<6> reimplimenting Metacat into what framework?
<6> erm.. application platform
<7> im just reimplimenting to learn how it works
<6> *nod*
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