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<0> Samsung has one iirc
<1> I want a real one that will do RAID5 fast.
<2> Well I have did a little bit of audio editing and I feel that in your position you definatly need a faster CPU quality RAM and alot of it ...
<0> and of course groupware
<0> and notes
<3> I dont' mind losing some safety on the drives. These samples can easily be reinstalled from DVD if I lose them.
<2> the rest shouldn't be a problem for now... but I would look into a RAID set up (striping)
<4> giesen i have real hardware raid 5
<5> i can think that this *might* be an advantage, that the adminstration of users/printers/network settings and GP is in the MMC GUI
<0> Himeko: so do I
<5> but all that can be scripted AFAIK in WMI
<1> So do I, but they're all in servers, not in my home server. hehe
<4> u160 drives
<6> "real" raid == 3ware ata/sata, lsi logic scsi, adaptec scsi/ata/sata, perc/smart/serveraid
<5> perhaps, it is reinventing the wheel though
<1> Mylex, DPT
<6> dpt is adaptec
<1> Oh right, wasn't when I used one of their cards. hehe
<7> Oh for ****'s sake, even using a $10 IDE "RAID" card would improve performance over a single IDE drive operating on its own :P
<0> yes
<8> sarbanes but you wouldnt, take a GP in consideration, you;d have to set it on every pc, in AD you just set a GP , put the pc's in the group and its applied
<5> but at the moment, i question the need for a domain? at the risk of speaking heresy
<6> and on groupware, the list is exchange, notes, groupwise, openexchange/openxchange. and I'm forgetting one
<0> but I'd hardly call it a real raid card
<6> indeed, giesen, it's just using the CPU to do any necessary work
<5> Vern: you could roll it out through a script and execute it as a LGPO
<5> right?
<1> It's actually Domino too, Notes is the client.
<4> sarbanes you can do whatever you want
<4> unless you are using something that requires a domain
<6> domino, notes, whatever, I don't, and won't, use either. :)
<8> roll it out how? copy the script to everyone's startup folder? lol
<6> you know what I meant. :)
<1> Hehe.. We use it here, against all my beliefs.
<1> It's not all bad.
<1> Recovery is a breeze compared to Exchange.
<0> groupwise isnt bad either
<0> other than the management interface
<0> which is complete and utter garbage
<6> they all have pluses and minuses, like anything else
<1> I haven't seen Groupwise for years.
<5> Vern: you can remotely execute, i can just run a script
<6> don't use any groupware here, just straight pop/smtp
<1> Yep
<0> unfortunately I had a client on it
<8> i liked notes when we used it at our last job, it was ok
<2> b33b: If I were you I'd get these: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241158 - http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80701-5 - http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-17
<5> no need to copy
<8> sarbanes ok
<6> except in lawfirm, which still uses said email server, but then uses a dedicated legal groupware for calendars/document sharing/etc
<8> good luck
<0> bofh`: hehe Im in the process of implementing an exchange server with spam filtering gateways
<0> and also a hosted exchange solution
<2> the mobo has ide raid built in
<8> but by the sounds of it, most of us deploy more pc's in a day then you would be dealing with all together :p
<6> heh vern
<1> I don't deploy PC's anymore, I get someone to do it for me. ;)
<5> Vern: that sounds irrelenvent, but if it soothes your ego to discuss the irrelevent, that's fine
<7> But, first off: Spend the money on RAM... buy as much as you can afford or max out the machine outright... that's the priority... you already have drives that will work so the second priority is the CPU/mobo which actually relates to the first priority overall
<3> z0rz - I don't think that my mobo supports dual channel, so I would need a new mobo for that.
<5> Vern: i ask questions not to question your expertise, but you seem to be responding as if I am questing your skills (skillz)
<3> br0adband - I may be kidding myself that a cheap upgrade will do. My disk I/O is very high with the large samples, and then my CPU seems to also get heavy (especially when effects and reverb are added in).
<8> sarbanes how would you control network drives permissions?
<2> I listed a mobo there b33b
<6> it's very relevant since you're discussing how to deploy something,w hich is dependant in large part on how many systems
<5> Vern: that's on samba, chmod.
<1> What sort of sound card are you using?
<1> Please don't say a Creative
<3> z0rz - gotcha. didn't realize all three links were different.
<5> er, chmod and whatever settings in /etc/samba/smb.conf
<3> drexyl - audiophile 24/96.
<1> ok
<3> (m-audio)
<2> yeah
<4> i prefer a domain if only for it's centralized user accouts
<1> Centralized everything.
<8> well you seem to expect to rely alot on yourself for controlling things, thats ok if you will always be there
<5> Vern: how so? the user management?
<7> Good card
<8> everything
<4> he prolly just wants to use samba servers instead of windows
<5> the scripts could be automated
<2> and I'd really suggest even better ram and more.. that's just to get you off your feet
<5> Himeko: precisely
<4> but samba can do a lot of ad stuff now too
<9> Esp on a server, you dont want to scrimp imho
<3> Ahh, the slippery slope. That's like 450$US. For a few hundred more, I get a quiet case, a proper SATA drive, a bit more RAM, etc :)
<4> can't be an AD compatible DC now?
<4> +it
<4> in v3
<5> i don't advocate it because i htink it works in all situations. If your business is already committed to Exchange and Active Directory then it doesn;t' seem worth it to switch to Samba/sendmail (or postfix)/and OpenLDAP
<8> well i can see how you want to do it that way, but even from a standpoint of a business standardizing everything, a domain is good, because anyone can come in and manage it....
<5> well, my main issue, is that the "domain" reallly is about centralized management, no?
<8> for anything 10 or more users id still consider AD, even if i didnt use it for exchange... its still a good centrilized way to start
<4> i get charity pricing so w2k3 server costs under $200 cdn
<1> I was about to say, 10 or more people, i'd use a Domain.
<5> well, trying to work around AD with Samba and WMI isn't just about the cost
<1> Nothings about the cost, it's all about the TCO. ;)
<5> more that we don't want to tilt our IT infracture any more toward MS than we need to..
<5> yes, TCO
<5> the theory is TCO will go up, if we have to hire MS-specific sysadmins here
<6> a trained monkey can be an MS sysadmin
<8> away from the hardware and patches, a $12 help desk lacky can control most of everything from permissions to p***word resets, to new users, to simple gpo's
<5> so the context is: we got, the email, database and web stuff set fine. Just we need to do better desktop management ..yet we question whether we need the Win2k3 (AD) servers
<7> MCSE = Monkeys Can (be) System Engineers
<1> ?? mcse
<1> Pfft, what happened to Must Consult Someone Experienced.
<8> you have to factor in how much its going to cost you to write al lthe scripts as well sarbanes.... your time is money
<1> !whoset mcse
<5> Vern: there's also the time/investment ether way - we have no AD expertise here so that must be learned..(or hire)
<8> Info950 is about 2 years old def file
<8> heh
<4> what desktop managment stuff do you want to do
<5> the basics - centralized management.
<4> ?? himeko
<6> there's a useless answer. w hat do you want to manage?
<4> yep, old
<1> ?? drexylwrk
<10> And I'm not an alcoholic.. I just have good tolerence levels.
<1> So it is.
<5> well, AFAIK, it can be accomplished with WMI - remote execution (install XP updates silently), query what's installed, install printer drivers, etc.
<11> hah
<5> control user accounts that reside locally on the client.
<6> heh, you're gonna do that all with wmi? have fun
<8> most can be done with computer management for user accounts and ****
<5> it's not that hard if you've done coding before
<6> I am a programmer. but hell if I'm gonna waste time doing all that stuff by hand whern there are things like wssus out there
<5> and seems well documented
<6> my time's worth more than that
<8> exactly
<8> :/
<4> well, you only have to do it once
<1> hehe
<5> we figure once it works, it works
<4> and and buch of documentation
<5> so it won't be a full time job, well for upkeep and stuff like that
<8> wouldnt you need to keep a list of pc's that was as well?
<5> yes, that would be essential
<5> we have that
<4> i rather irc all day hthan mess with wmi :;)
<4> wups, -:
<5> yes, there is that initial effort we have to put it and it seems to be a big pain in the *** to setup
<5> but in theory, it could be worth it
<8> i work in a building of 300 people... i support about 700... i couldnt imagine .......
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