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<0> well I am a reseller, but we sell HP desktops
<0> not components very much.. its my father in laws pc and its 3 days outta warranty :)
<0> and the wholesaleer won't budge
<1> is there big difference in performance between PCI and agp videocard ***uming they have same gpu/chipset
<2> depends on the pci and agp slot
<2> there are different speeds for pci and agp slots
<1> regular PCI
<1> not express
<2> 1.0, 2.0?
<1> what computer uses pci 1 these days
<2> normally though agp should be faster
<2> a pci2.2 slot is faster than an agp1x though
<0> imagine that :)
<1> okay pci 2.2 vs agp 4x
<2> agp 4x is double the transfer rate of pci 2.2.
<1> is pci 2.2 really same speed as agp 2x ?



<0> oo oo /me waves his hand.. my turn
<2> same transfer-rate, yes
<2> transfer-rate is not always = speed though
<0> and agp 8x is 4 x faster than pci 2.2 :)
<1> then why is it called 2x
<2> cause agp1x is slower than pci 2.2
<2> it's called 2x cause it uses a 2x multiplicator
<2> just like your cpu... imagine it runs at 133mhz with a multiplikator of 10x, then it would be a 1,3 ghz cpu
<2> same goes for agp... agp runs at 66mhz
<2> 2x doubles this
<1> but pci is 33mhz
<2> no, pci2.2 is 66mhz
<2> that's why i asked "which pci and which agp"?
<1> ok
<1> but does vidcard even take advantage of agp 8x speed
<1> for example: sata = 150MB but no harddrive does taht
<2> depends... just think about it this way: most games have much texture data
<2> this data needs to get into the videoram somehow
<2> agp8x can transmit a maximum of 2GB/s
<2> as long as the agp bus gets the data fast enough, it will transmit it with 2GB/s to the video card
<0> the thing is that its all kinda moot because if it needs to come off the hdd to start with .. ...
<2> not really
<2> most of the time textures go from ram to videocard
<2> cause on hdd they are either compressed, or they even get calulated in ram
<1> notworkn that's good point
<0> Ta1oN: they got to the memory how?
<2> if the texture data is in it's raw-form on the hdd though, then yeah, it would go from hdd to videoram
<1> Ta1oN what about watching video from DVD
<2> your dvd drive is hopefully set to use a dma channel
<2> then it will directly stream the data to the ram
<2> and video card will get it's data from systemram again
<1> dvdrom is even slower than hdd
<2> and for the question "how does it get into the ram": don't forget that your pc can cache data
<2> i.e. your pc can read texturedata into the ram long before the video card needs it
<2> it's only important that the data is in the video ram when the picture needs to be rendered
<2> and if it gets there in time depends on availability of data and speed of the bus-system the data needs to use
<1> when is that last time pcs used pci 1.x
<2> hm... no clue -.-
<1> pentium2? pentium1 days
<2> somewhere around that time, yeah
<2> not sure myself though
<1> so agp 2x existed before pci 2.x ?
<2> not sure either... historical questions are better answered by someone else :>
<2> or google ;)
<2> hm... btw, don't forget pci-x ;P
<2> pci-x 2.0 for example is even faster than agp8x
<1> right, i can't believe how fast it died
<3> lol
<2> it's not dead yet... but pci express will probably end the pci-x time before it even started :/
<1> my point exactly
<1> even macs doesn't use it
<2> i find it funny that back in school we always learned "parallel is much better than serial... it's faster and so on..." and nowadays, almost all is switched to serial
<2> usb, sata, sscsi, pcie...
<1> Ta1oN i noticed that too
<1> parallel port was faster than serial port
<2> yeah... parallel was always faster than serial... that was a fact for many years in computer history... but it seams that this ***umption was wrong after all
<4> hi
<5> What program would you guys recommend to copy over data over the network to a mount every night at midnight or something?
<6> cp -R in crontab :)
<2> robocopy?
<5> Guybrush: Windows.



<2> robocopy?
<6> oh right
<6> lol
<6> wrong window
<6> :P
<5> Guybrush: And I would use rsync on linux anyways...
<5> Ta1oN: Hmm, thanks
<6> foozaki: you could do the same tho
<6> if you dont want to install crap
<5> What?
<6> just created a scheduled task that runs a batfile
<6> just create
<5> Yeah, I thought about that
<5> Is that the best way to go?
<5> Probably.
<6> well, atleast it's fast and easy
<5> I think I'll just do that
<5> Thanks
<2> um, that's what you should do with robocopy -.-
<5> Ta1oN: Thanks
<2> create a batchfile with the cmd and run it with task scheduler
<2> robocopy is part of the support or resource kit tools
<6> ah
<6> robocopy is just a more fancy copy utility?
<5> Guybrush: Yeah, appears so
<5> Nice
<2> a more, more, more fancy copy utility
<6> cool
<2> robocopy can do total mirroring of data
<2> not just copying
<6> maybe ill check it out then
<2> and some other usefull things
<2> like just copying changed files instead of all and so on
<5> Yeah, that's what I know rsync does. Thanks Ta1oN. I got that.
<2> np
<6> http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/e/c/8ec3a7d8-05b4-440a-a71e-ca3ee25fe057/rktools.exe
<6> this kit?
<2> yup, should be the right one
<2> "windows server 2003 resource kit tools" should be the name
<6> this was for xp
<2> then it's the old version
<6> windows xp support tools
<6> oh
<2> one moment
<6> so the 2003version works on xp
<2> yes
<2> the same goes for most ms-software
<2> the more fancy stuff is called windows 2003 and is for xp too though
<6> its here
<6> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en
<2> platform sdk for example... it's called windows 2003 platform sdk, but includes everything for windows xp and 2k development
<2> yeah, that's the right one
<2> i install it on all my pc's normally... very usefull tools in there
<6> yeah looks like it
<2> same goes for the support tools which are on the xp cd
<6> thanks for the tip
<2> np
<7> http://www.helpwinmybet.com/
<7> help the man out people
<2> hm, soon he'll have it
<2> 1,93 million hits already :>
<6> was 1.7 mill an hour ago
<6> 1.97 now
<8> Hi does anyone know the term I'd use when searching for a card to transfer a VHS video tape to my computer?
<2> any videocard with a video-in
<8> ah thanks
<9> 2mill...
<2> or look for a tv-card... they all have video-in
<8> Ta1oN, can you get cards that do that that I don't have to actually install into my HD...ie are external?
<2> possibly... but i know of none
<8> k
<8> thanks


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