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<0> <-- normal user
<1> the only thing antivirus can protect you from, are the things it knows by it's definitions
<1> and a small fraction of not-known things
<1> but as soon as i write a virus specifically to infect YOU, your antivirus will just ignore it
<1> and to be honest, the normal viruses which antivirus software detects, don't get on my system anyway, cause you need to be pretty careless to get infected by them
<1> and linux won't protect you either... nice story that linux is virus-free and so on... but the reality is: rootkits were invented originally for unix systems ;)
<1> and there is a fair ammount of rootkits for different linux/unix/bsd scenarios available
<0> here he goes laddies and gents.
<2> i never said anything about linux protecting me
<2> i just said i use it :)
<1> yeah, but most think that using linux protects them from evil ppl :>
<1> the only thing that can really protect you from malicious code is your own conscious mind... no matter what system you are using
<3> linux can stop a volcano from blowing its top
<0> Sophos.Antivirus.v4.03.Multilanguage.Linux.Retail-ZWT
<0> Sophos.Antivirus.v4.03.Multilanguage.BSD.Retail-ZWT
<1> anyway, in the end, never trust a software to protect you
<0> i didnt even know there was antivirus for linixz0r
<1> keep your system up to date, only install/use software you trust or vendor-supported software (in case of linux, keep to the distri you are using)
<0> ta1on
<1> Janger
<0> you can keep getting attacks from the outside.
<0> so not being protected and not using untrusted software is pretty bleh
<0> open ports
<1> "attacks from the outside" is relative
<1> an open port is no problem at all
<1> think about it: what means "an open port"?
<1> it just means that you are running some software which binds a socket to a portnumber
<0> and acessible way into your computer.
<1> and via the portnumber the software that bound to it is reachable
<1> i.e. if the software that bound to the port is secure, there is no problem at all
<0> um
<1> if the software has some bug or exploit, then yeah, the open port is a problem
<0> oops elbow on space bar.
<4> an open port is no big deal, as long as there isnt some vulnerable service listening
<3> craig's list ****ing owns
<0> yes.
<1> best example are webservers... if you run a webserver you have to open ports 80 and 443 normally
<3> sold my onkyo in ONE DAY
<4> get a good price?
<1> if the webserver has no known exploit, and is secured good enough, both open ports are no problem at all
<0> exactly my point
<0> you would have to secure it.
<1> most people run unpatched iis5 or apache servers though... and both are WIDE open
<0> thats my point
<1> so my point stands: use only software you trust
<1> if you are using iis5.0 you can't tell me you trust it ;)
<0> if i were to do a fresh install with all the updates
<1> same goes for old apache versions
<0> and let it sit there.....
<0> in a week it would be hacked.
<0> (no software installed)
<1> now it would be interesting as to HOW this would happen...
<0> it would be taken over by bandits
<1> cause a fresh xp install with all updates is locked tight
<5> order new cam yet lord? :)
<1> no way to access the system from outside
<0> it can happen easily.
<3> bofh: once I hear from her, I am
<3> :D
<6> morning
<0> ...
<3> I can already SMELL the 20D
<1> don't forget that i'm working in the security-business... so i would be interested in to HOW you actually want to own a freshly updated xp box?
<5> heh
<1> everything i can think about would need a user or 3rd party software
<1> or at least the disabling of the windows firewall and the hope for a new rpc exploit ;P
<5> you don't know anything about security Ta1oN, quit lying. ;)
<1> k :(
<5> heh
<0> im trying to find out ta1on
<1> the funny thing is, that at my new work, we implement high-security networks everywhere... but our own is one of the worst networks i know :/
<0> but i know it IS possible
<1> reason? money! :/
<1> and dumb (l)users
<7> Ta1oN: does that mean we should root you?
<0> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764569295/104-8959156-2530369?v=glance&n=283155
<0> lol
<5> heh
<1> heh... you probably could... and it would probably mean much work for me...
<7> oh in that case
<7> hahaha it's still your shift
<2> Microsoft says Windows users should "take care not to visit unfamiliar or untrusted Web sites that could potentially host the malicious code" and that people who want to use IE should either disable "active scripting" or download the IE7 beta2 preview
<2> heh
<1> -.-
<1> yup, the new ie exploit is bad theoretically
<0> `^`
<2> yeah xp is so secure
<1> 1. ie is not xp
<3> it almost is
<1> ie just comes bundled with xp... you don't have to use it
<3> yes you do
<2> xp ships with IE, you cannot remove IE therfore xp is insecure
<1> 2. this is a thing that hits only users
<3> each time you open ANY explorer, you're using IE
<2> users use xp
<2> next
<1> wrong, cause the exploit would only work if you actually use ie and visit a malicious site
<0> sit!
<8> you need it for windows update
<3> Ta1oN: open Windows Explorer... then type a url in the pathbar
<0> no you dont
<3> guess what
<1> guess what, explorer uses the same html rendering dll as ie ;)
<8> so dont use explorer
<3> because 'Explorer' is IE, Windows Explorer, Regedit, etc
<0> NChief
<0> http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/
<3> if you explore ANYTHING in windows
<1> sry lord... wrong
<8> Janger: hmm, ok:)
<1> explorer and ie are 2 completely different programs
<1> as well as regedit
<1> they share some common dll's
<1> but that's about it
<1> you can easily check this with taskmanager or any other tool which displays processes
<1> if you type an url in explorer.exe it still stays the same process
<1> it will not switch to iexplore.exe
<0> nchief
<3> just because it opens in its own space, doesn't mean it's an independant program
<1> and it will not create an additional process
<0> its a plugin for mozilla
<1> it is lord... you can use depends.exe to check this if you want
<1> or run a debugger and attach it to ie and explorer
<1> you'll see the difference
<3> fact of the matter is, if you uninstall IE, you break windows
<3> PERIOD
<8> Janger: have one for opera?
<0> havent looked around, i dont use opera
<3> even people that build custom installs with nlite have found this out
<1> the reason behind this is another thing though... most people don't want to remove ie, the internet browser
<1> they want to remove ie the html renderer
<1> and that one is used by many other applications
<1> even non-ms apps
<8> ok
<1> and all this "remove ie tricks" you find on the net break or remove the html renderer, which will break parts of windows of course
<1> if you remove just ie the browser, everything will still work fine
<2> best way to remove IE is to format c:
<1> but that is not what most people want
<3> well, for what it's worth, IE7 is pretty nice
<3> though I don't like the anti phishing plugin they're using
<0> screw IE
<0> eod
<0> pr0n sites eat it up
<0> like gum
<9> has anyone has their appendis out
<0> no.
<5> not I
<0> ive had a rib taken out before though.
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