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<0> We have 4 DCs.
<1> but the other 2 are sandboxes
<0> 2 in each location.
<2> check it though
<2> you don't need more than one DC per site now
<2> if you have vmware
<2> cause failover is no longer an issue
<0> True...
<3> I still don't trust VMware for my production ****
<1> we only need 2 because our other corporate site is connected via wireless
<4> Mmmm. Havarti.
<1> and the other people are citrix
<1> ROI!
<3> But I haven't really run it on a production server, either.
<2> I'm waiting for everyone to get hooked on VMware Server Beta
<2> then EMC is gonna pull it
<2> "sorry you're ****ed"
<1> thats why we are using virtual server!
<2> "gotta buy ESX"
<3> Everyone is gonna land on their *** when that goes down
<3> Everybody thought they were getting something for nothing
<3> VMware's not stupid
<2> but see
<2> they SAY it's gonna be free
<2> and you'll be able to BUY support
<3> yeah. Then AOL will buy them.
<3> Then we'll all be ****ed.
<1> well what they will do is just create a large market for vmwarez
<2> yeah
<5> well, when the next generation CPUs come out with hardware support for virtualization, its gonna be much easier for competitors to VMware to get into the market.
<3> Snapshots will be -1day warez
<2> I'll just declare ****ing Jihad if that **** happens
<2> I'll go all software piracy
<2> **** it at that point
<6> microsoft won't be able to get virtual server working, so they'll buy vmware
<1> virtual server works fine!@
<3> Like in Armageddon when they stole harry stamper's design and ****ed it up
<1> so long as you dont touch it or log on!
<7> emc already bought vmware
<7> I don't think it's leaving their hands
<2> non issue anyway since the hypervisor will be in Longhorn
<1> thats what ebay said once too!@
<3> And Winamp too
<2> longhorn will come built for virtualization
<3> AOL owns those ****ers now
<2> at ring -1
<2> then buy buy vmware anyway
<3> FKnight`: They did also say that Longhorn would ship with WinFS though too
<2> *bye *bye
<3> And that's in the ****ter now.
<1> ok i need to finish my infopath ****
<3> Who knows if they'll EVER get that right
<2> see
<2> that **** about WinFS
<2> that's a bunch of crap
<2> because
<1> anyone used infopath 2007 yet (rworks?)
<2> Longhorn *AND* Vista have like most of the features of what people are calling "WinFS"
<2> it's just not ****ing called WinFS
<5> hell, CAIRO was gonna ship with WinFS, only it wasn't called that yet I don't think.
<3> FKnight`: Windows is still just playing catchup with what google already does
<5> Cairo was gonna have SQLServer as its native file system.
<3> Same situation
<1> gah
<3> To be honest, I'm not at all impressed with the file searching and indexing **** they added to longhorn
<3> I feel like it's going to turn my mind to mush, not having to remember where I put anything
<3> Then I'll do side work on an XP box and look like a ****ing best buy repairman
<3> "yeah, this has to be formatted"
<3> "do you have the restore disc?"
<1> whoever thought using SQL for a FS backend was a good idea
<2> that's the hardest part for me :D
<3> Hopefully by then I'll be a CCIE and I won't have to touch another christforsaken server
<1> was an idiot
<2> "Where's my file"
<2> "It's in there"
<2> "But where?"
<3> FKnight`: I know. I like the finity of it all.
<2> well
<2> first
<4> Virtual Stop Codes. *poof* "Did you see that?" "See what?"
<2> SQL isn't a file storage format
<2> it's a query language
<8> "I can't point it out. It is spinning at 10,000rpm."
<2> so was Microsoft going to be basing a file system on JET ?
<3> FKnight`: It would have needed work as an FS
<6> SQL wouldn't be the file system, NTFS is the file system, the directory is SQL
<3> but the theory, I suppose, is that storage is indexed natively as a DB
<1> right Jet
<2> ok yah
<3> Sounds too sci-fi for me.
<2> but like
<5> actually, NTFS directories are already B-Trees.
<6> they aren't storing blobs in the db
<2> Vista does tat
<2> *that
<3> I wonder how all that affects fragmentation.
<1> thats what i was saying would be stupid
<5> and, SQL servers have fairly sophisticated storage block management
<2> Vista also has all the search and indexing
<2> that's all "WinFS" ever was
<2> and the tagging
<1> im ok with pointers
<3> FKnight`: Didn't they trash "WinFS" and just pull out the best features though?
<5> for instance, you can run Oracle on raw partitions, and it does all its own storage management without any file system
<3> It sure looks that way to me.
<2> dude
<2> as far as I can tell
<2> they only pulled the *WORD* "WinFS" out
<3> hah yeah.
<1> but storing files as blobs or (gah) xml in SQL for a FS is retarded
<6> that's MS... reach too far, then grab some bits, integrate them into existing products and throw the rest away
<2> because a bunch of dorks thought they were replacing NTFS with an MSSQL storage backend for binary data
<9> Hmmm. FireFox 1.52 ... anyone else notice a huge time delay between clicking the item in the menu and the built in download manager actually loading?
<1> now
<2> so I really think they just pulled the *word* "WinFS" out
<5> XML is generally retarded, except for the narrow range of applications that it was originally proposed for (mostly, metadata descriptions, and data interchange between external systems)
<2> cause all the **** that WinFS was supposed to be
<1> storing "office" documents as XML in SQL is a good idea
<2> is there.
<3> FKnight`: Yeah but now it won't be an option in the format menu.
<3> so there's gotta be more overhead they dropped
<3> digidog: If you ask Microsoft, EVERYTHING will be an "office document" sooner or later.
<3> It's just a matter of how hard the companies fight.
<1> well i dont ask them
<8> http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/30/true_mimo_to_remove_cables_from_catv/ <--- what was the point of posting that graph? You can't even read anything on it.
<1> because to me
<2> all I know is
<1> an exchange public folder will never be an office document
<3> I'm betting MS has a neato strategy to put Acrobat in their arsenal.
<2> unless Vista practically ****s ****
<2> literally I mean
<3> To put Adobe in the ground for PDF
<2> like it ****S YOUR ****
<2> if there's like one thing wrong with Windows
<2> it'll bomb
<2> MS stock will dive
<1> nah
<3> Windows has too much scrutiny now.
<2> casue they hype is too high
<1> it will dive on the first exploit
<3> Because it's so popular.
<1> then it will rebound, etc
<2> the hype is way too high
<1> is it?
<1> because if i ask all my end users what vista is
<1> no one knows
<2> and what I hope happens is that on the day Vista is released, a huge worm ****s over a million Macs.
<3> I think the end user hype will be all about the eye candy.
<3> Nobody gives a **** about indexing
<2> well
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