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<0> its not really its own copy of hte kernel, it just pretends that part
<1> jail is a SEVERE word
<0> but it has its own root and stuff
<1> based on IP makes total sense
<2> yeah you're right
<0> solaris 10 has something like that enhanced out til its ALMOST a VM.
<0> they call them 'domains'.
<3> xen is almost like full virtualization, though the os that is being virtualized needs slight modification.
<3> its rather close to being a vmware sorta thing but not yet
<2> peerce: aix does the same
<3> ie, you open up a new instance of the OS, typically within an X window, which boots the entire os from scratch
<4> freebsd's jail is way more swell than chroot
<1> VIVA LA JAIL
<2> yeah, freebsd has chroot as well, but jail is more snazzy
<2> in the jail the processes can only see what are running under the jail's initial process
<0> phiz; AIX has full LPARs which go way beyond
<0> LPAR's *are* VMs
<0> complete with virtuallized IO devices etc.
<3> skin to a terminal session in windows, where all you see in taskman are your terminal sessions processes?
<3> akin, not skin
<3> heh
<2> right
<2> peerce: i just meant they are called domains too
<5> who wants to give me $17?
<3> nobody
<5> you do?
<1> um. what you can buy for 17 bucls?
<5> need a 1 month newsgroup account
<1> so you beg in #windows for this?
<1> !info begging
<5> i just happened to be in the channel at the time
<1> :(
<6> could someone please tell me of a channel where the topic is Microsoft Office help?
<5> i dont think anyone cares if people using MS Office need help
<6> well that's a positive attitude
<7> aster_, its not the topic here... but go ahead and ask your question
<7> aster_, we may be able to help anyway
<0> aster_; its on the "F1" channel. press F1 and its amazing how much help is in there.
<7> that fz1 had the ugliest lower i've ever seen
<0> TedSki; yeah, no ****.
<7> hmm... shoppin for riding pants
<0> the bike they are selling that I wouldn't mind haaving is this one... http://www.bmwscruz.com/motorcycles/owned_img/00F650.html
<0> overpants?
<7> yea, tourmaster cortech woman's overpants
<0> I've had the FirstGear ones, they were nice in cold weather, but too hot in warm weather
<7> i have the first gears, i like em, cold or hot
<0> I have the cortech overpants now, quite nice, but they aren't completely waterproof in an extended downpour
<7> i just wear pajama pants under em
<7> yea, neither are the firstgear
<7> they have sprung a few leaks... that's what rainsuits are for :)
<0> I wear poly longjohns as tho they were tights
<0> if its cold out, I'll put fleece sweatpants on in the middle
<0> roadrider has that tourmaster stuff cheap in San jose.
<0> that F650 (my link above) is the earlier carbereuter version with the rotax 650 thumper.
<7> yup
<7> that's where she tried it on
<0> oh. heh. what a barn that place is, eh?
<0> O
<0> I've been getting my tires there for awhile
<7> they are just as cheap as online sources
<0> and most of my clothes
<0> yeah
<7> yea, i ride all the way down there from SF
<6> peerce, I need help with a couple of queries in ms access.
<7> i like the guys there... love the glove room
<6> very basic queries but i'm new to ms access
<0> wow, s'cruz still has the vstrom 650 too, http://www.bmwscruz.com/motorcycles/owned_img/05SuzVstrom.html
<7> few more months
<7> vstrom 1k for me!!
<0> aster_; access has an excellent tutorial, and a very comprehensive help file
<7> i'm so stoked
<3> Oh the huge manatee!
<1> mmMMMmotorsikelzmMMmmMm
<8> Stoked! Theives, that's our slang :(
<1> stoke ah la boe kah
<9> Hi, does anyone know any good free windows backup programs? something like MS Backup?
<10> free?
<10> may as well use msbackup
<11> NTbackup?
<0> TedSki: http://www.yamahasantacruz.com/USED/pics/91R100GS.html :)
<3> ntbackup is essentially a stripped veritas
<9> ntbackup? isn't that msbackup?
<0> Cyorxamp; whats wrong with ntbackup that you need another program to do better?
<6> peerce, got ya. i have rtfm, but still am required to make 10 queries, have made 8, and can't get the last 2 to work.
<3> ntbackup works just fine for most purposes. its actually really quite endowed with features.
<9> peerce - nothing, but my question still stands
<0> no, I've never seen any free backup software that was worth a damn.
<10> me either
<0> you want better, investigate Veritas (for servers), or BackupMyPC (for personal use), or something.
<3> you could upgrade to a commercial package, of which I like Backup Exec v10 quite a bit.
<0> HP Data Protector for enterprise server backups.
<3> BE is a Veritas product
<3> well right now i understand Symantec has acquired veritas :(
<0> BackupMyPC was originally 'Veritas Personal'.
<3> if Symantec ruins BE, then BE 10d may be the best of the line.
<3> I've heard "rumor" that CA has cleaned up their backup package, but I dont believe it. I dont think I ever will.
<7> Cyorxamp, i use ntbackup for a lot of different backup scenarios.. copying to NAS, local copies, tape backup... you name it
<6> peerce, any idea a channel where ms office is the discussion
<7> free and native... two great selling points
<9> Thats nice TedSki - write a song about it
<7> Cyorxamp, wtf is your problem?
<7> Cyorxamp, i answered your ****ing question
<3> Where I work, we have a few workstations with tape drives, we grant the local user backup admin rights, and they use their drives to backup projects to dds4 when we're done with them. But for the entire enterprise backup solution, we use Backup Exec 10. and I love it.
<9> No you did **** all in terms of my question
<10> wtf
<7> Cyorxamp, try english, ****tard
<3> i went straight from BE 8.6, which was a PITA cause it ran its own rather unstable database engine, to BE 10, which uses MSDE, and stability has improved so monumentally, i dont find myself cycling the BE services anymore.
<8> Yeah I went from 8.5 to 8.6, 9, then 10.
<7> sup Dovinshka
<8> Yeah same same Ted. You?
<3> im at the point where its bulletproof. i really dont even feel i need to check the backup logs every day, its so stable.
<7> not much man
<0> ditto, the HP DataProtector setup I have at work humming away on a 8 tape LTO2 autoloader
<8> I'm actually seeing an issue with ntbackup and dvd-ram atm. BSOD, and I think it relates to the amount of data. It reports that it only has 3.5GB but then accumulates slowly as the procedure is performed.
<8> Time to strip it down.
<0> I like how if you tell it to backup 8 different file systems on 3 servers, it does them all at once, since no one is fast enough to keep up with the tape drive :D
<3> I recently took some hints from a recent ntsysadmin post regarding backup stuff, changed around buffer settings, that did manage to squeeze about another 20 mb/hour out of our AIT2 autoloader. but its performance still isnt stellar. i get about 200 mb/min now.
<3> its time to retire the pos
<8> Hehe 20MB an hour.
<8> Tweak it!
<3> Yeah. big woop :D
<3> There are LTO drives that can saturate gigabit
<8> That's a ****load of data though.
<3> eventually were converting our entire office to gigabit
<3> i would say before the end of the year
<3> i think it should come WAY sooner
<3> we need it. we deal with datafiles on the order of 20+ gigabytes
<0> i'm quite happy with my LTO stuff so far... been using the same 6 tapes in a rotating backup for 6+ months now, and the error rate is still zero.
<3> does lto technology require frequent cleaning?
<0> no. its linear
<3> when i used DDS, that required meticulous use of a cleaning c***ette. this AIT technology really doesnt need it. You can buy a cleaning cartridge but Sony claims you never need to clean the heads, as the oxides are permeated within the plastic tape.
<3> i still have a cleaning tape and i clean the heads once a month. call me old fashioned
<3> Hey, if they *REALLY* never needed cleaning, why the hell can I buy a cleaning c***ette, SONY branded no less?
<10> to get the money out of the old timers
<10> :)
<0> there IS a LTO cleaning tape, I loaded it in slot 7 on the changer
<3> when i started this company, this autochanger system was 2 years old, and it was never cleaned the entire time
<8> I love going onsite and finding out the tape in the drive has been recorded over every day for the last 4 months.
<3> so Sony could be a little correct in that
<8> No one bothers to change them
<0> ok, tape 1 has had 8 writes, 2 overwrites, and zero errors. #2 = 6/2/0. #3=6/2/0.
<3> BE reports only one single hard error
<0> ditto 4.
<3> in two years. not bad.
<8> Great disaster recovery practises...
<0> these tapes were 'created' july 05.
<0> so they've been in use for 8-9 months now doing a weekly backup
<3> theres always plenty of soft errors. thats to be expected. those arent bad. hard errors are bad.
<8> Skips.
<0> about 120GB per backup, looks like about 3 of them fit on one tape
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