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<0> no Dovinshka.
<1> we have one cisco router at work. essentially, all it does is convert T1 to ethernet. we use linux to take care of the rest.
<2> I mean, I'm sure you could do anything with QoS you wanted inside of 20 minutes with google
<0> i'm not ready to be a cisco architect yet.
<0> npx: er. not really
<3> CCIE?
<0> it's really quite invovled
<0> especially when voip gets involved
<3> Yeah well VIOP is primarily founded on QoS.
<0> i'm not too freaked out or concerned
<1> someday i would like to learn cisco... but in the meantime, i have yet to see what a linux router cannot do :D
<3> And VOIP is getting bigger as time goes on.
<0> z0g^: you gotta learn cisco then and then learn =)
<3> z0g^, just more streamlined interface * administration.
<0> ease of use for one thing.
<0> cisco *works*
<0> you gotta **** around with linux for hours with different packages init scripts ersions kernel dependancies libraries.
<2> sartan, in defense of free unices, FreeBSD also *works8
<0> yeah sure it does.
<3> So does Windows with some plug-ins!
<2> Really, it does. a -RELEASE version with the ports it comes with will be bulletproof.
<1> sartan: while i am currently using redhate 8 for our router at work, i beg to differ, modern distros like SuSE are very sweet.
<0> i'm a linux geek too.
<0> cisco > linux for networking
<0> and i set up linux networks jus' fine.
<0> have you ever used linux as a dot1q VTP domain server
<1> we use tons of linux at work.
<0> nah i didn't think so
<2> sartan, I'd say it depends on the network, for a corporate NOC **** yeah go cisco
<2> for my home network? *nix box
<0> this conversation isn't fair
<0> because i don't have cisco peers to argue with =)
<3> I have some Cisco knowledge!
<1> cisco is like defacto networking gear. their **** just works, and keeps working.
<2> I've used IOS a bit, too
<3> And half of my friends are CCNA/NP's
<0> and the other half are mcse!
<3> Well, they keep quiet.
<3> Like me :P
<2> I'm not going to say I'm your 'cisco peer' because it's been ages, and I just changed a firewall ruleset around a bit
<0> i'm tired of it
<2> but I have used one
<3> Tired of which?
<0> of night shifts. i wanna sleep
<3> MCSE?
<3> Oh.
<0> i shoudln't have opted for them all
<3> MCSE doesn't mean what it did when I achieved it!
<0> sooo.
<1> some people ridicule a mcse cert.
<3> Now I just base everything on my experience.
<0> i'm not going to have a **** fight
<0> i dont really want to i'm too tired to have an intellectual argument
<3> ?
<0> about the nuances pros and cons about cisco vs linux. which really isn't a fair argument
<3> No, it's very different.
<0> it's like folks who have set up a switch and a router a few times, and someone who set up a linux firewall that also happens to route..
<2> I'd say **** linux for a networking appliance, FreeBSD is on a different level
<1> well, the entire reason were using linux for our firewall/frontend is cause it was that way when i started the company.
<0> vs someone like me (not to brag) who sets up hundreds of networks hundreds of servers routers and switches
<1> iptables is a little confusing to learn but eventually you get the hang of it.
<0> iptables is quality product. i love it
<0> prefer it to a lot of cisco stuff.
<0> but man you're not gonna run bgp on a *nix box
<1> yeah its not terribly complicated
<4> iptables is easy to learn if you ask me
<0> iptables is the defacto pinnacle of routing firewalling and nat.
<0> though it doesn't load balance
<3> I wish you could get a license of IOS, and stick it in some el-cheao factory router (with enough room for it).
<0> you need to bring in more overcomplicated **** to do it with.
<2> sartan, you know ipf?
<0> cisco doesn't even make their own hardware anymore
<0> npx: not at all. bsd scares me. i hear it's slick. does load balancing too
<2> sartan, you should check it out if you feel like tinkering, 6.0-RELEASE brings a tear to my eye
<1> so i guess for a company as small as mine (about 35 employees), using a lowend cisco router that just acts as a CPE and linux to handle the rest, seems to work well.
<0> 35 employees could use a linksys home router
<3> Heh.
<2> What's a CPE?
<2> I've never heard of that before.
<1> hah. and we have a dual processor supermicro server running raid1 for this box :P
<3> I setup internet cafes with 30-50 machines, and just trunk some Dlink Gigabit smart switches.
<0> nvram>raid
<3> Runs like a pearl.
<1> well this same box is our ftp and email server too
<0> is it really trunking, hotshot? :P
<1> and web too
<3> Yeah, I have 2 of them!
<1> it handles quite a few tasks
<0> yeah. perfect for the job
<3> 4 ports for each switch dedicated for trunking.
<0> when i set up servers i put in a hardware router and made it serve the IP **** and put in a seperate box to do application
<1> router, web server, ftp server, email server.
<1> ive considered updating it so it would actually have a GUI.
<3> Low end switches/routers are really starting to show signs of life.
<1> its a fully textmode linux box at the moment
<0> you don't need a gui unless you don't know what you're doing.
<0> haha <-jerk
<3> sartan, http://www.dlink.com.au/default.aspx?FolderID=173
<1> sartan: agreed, however, the workstations on the floor that run SLES 9.3 or OpenSuSE 10, are gui, cause theyre running engineering softwares and ****.
<0> not bad.
<3> Great value.
<0> Dovinshka: i thought it was an unmanaged switch
<3> But for less than 100 workstations.
<3> I said that?
<0> no
<1> i thought i read somewhere that you can convert a WRT54G into a managed switch.
<2> I still use a hub in my house
<0> just ***umed
<3> Oh :)
<0> the wrt54gs treats the entire ethernet bus as one interface!
<2> it's been working for years, I just don't have the heart to get rid of it
<0> yup it's true sir
<3> It's not layer 2 though.
<1> at work ive got a bunch of managed 100bt baystacks in the closet. nice switches actually.
<0> i've read/seen some implementations of switches that 'trunk' by only providing a crossover port and essentially all they do is bridge
<1> but at some point in time, we ditched baystacks and went procurve.
<3> Nah, not bridging, but I know where you are coming from.
<0> NANILED.
<3> I'm bored, whats some good software to play with?
<1> procurves rock. lifetime warranty on those things.
<0> nethack
<0> i dont' have motivation to read more cisco **** right now
<1> Dovinshka: edlin
<0> i don't want to do this eitehr
<3> "Your quest is at an end for you have reached the home of NetHack.
<0> but i gotta.
<0> sartan@mistrust:~$ nethack
<0> bash: nethack: command not found
<1> any of you guys wired up for gigabit? i mean, like, company-wide?
<1> im in the market for a couple 48-port gigabit managed switches.
<3> Bloody dungeon games!
<0> i stink at nethack
<3> z0g^, Yeah those switches that I posted rock!
<2> diskobill:~$ nwn
<2> =)
<0> hah
<1> were thinking about sticking to procurves. i think at one point in time, we figured it would be around $4-5k per switch
<0> npx wins
<0> how about you pay me 4.5k cash to stand around and swap network cables REALLLLY fast instead of buying new switches
<2> =D
<3> http://www.dlink.com.au/Default.aspx?ArticleID=200
<1> you wanna buy our old procurves? nice 4U rackmount units...
<3> Nice low cost switches.
<0> sartan thinks he's the ****.
<2> oh =(
<2> man I feel so good this morning
<2> I hope it's nice out today
<2> I'm gonna go make stupid *** faces at my buddy's kid once the sun gets it's *** in gear
<1> something about d-link leaves a sour taste
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