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<0> For speed, I'm a fan of Xfce.
<1> MY particular issue with gnome is their development team's failure to follow through on their initiative with KDE to make the APIs match for better integration
<2> a K6-2 can't even run Windows right
<1> there was a developer conference specificly for that and all gnome has done has payed lipservice to their agreement
<3> my celeron 1ghz will run xp just fine but lags on gnome
<0> Deryl: GNOME is doing more with the Freedesktop.org project than KDE is.
<2> I only load a GUI in linux so that VMware Workstation runs
<1> so mine is more a faulting for their failure to follow their promise and ingoring their fans AND the kde users alike regarding the issue
<0> It's a GNOME-sponsored initiative.
<4> fvwm2 !
<0> amonfils: Hot.
<1> fdiv_bug: the point is greater integration btween gnome and kde (aka ability to run gnome apps on kde, kde apps on gnome)
<0> Why? Because it's there.
<0> Deryl: KDE apps run great on GNOME. And vice versa.
<1> the free desktop initiative is a whole different issue
<1> fdiv_bug: Uhh no, they all don't.
<0> Deryl: The ones I've tried recently do.
<5> once upon a time i used tvtwm. i don't think i ever found it for linux though.
<0> So long as you've got the KDE libs and Qt installed.
<1> fdiv_bug: this is an issue that's been ongoing between kde and gnome
<1> it's not specific apps. it's deeper than that
<1> API level
<0> You're being vague. Could you point me to some mailing list examples or some web pages?
<0> The APIs are quite different for many reasons, not the least of which being that GNOME/GTK+ primarily uses C and C# and KDE/Qt are predominantly C++.
<0> That alone is always going to be an issue to one degree or another.
<1> look on the kde and gnome mail lists, look back to articles written by linux development mags, look at Linux Today's archives, various other articles and kde/gnome centric projects and lists
<1> it's been going on for a long time. it's not something you can say. yes go look at this page because it's raging right now.
<0> I don't have time to go digging around for evidence to back up your claims. :P
<4> this is unimportant.
<4> titties are important.
<0> However, I'm installing KDE on my CentOS 4 box right now to see how well Konqueror runs.
<4> kde vs. gnome is not.
<0> amonfils: I agree.
<4> FOCUS PEOPLE
<1> fdiv_bug: :shrug: it's an old issue that's been around since KDE2. I don't have time to dig up articles to back up a claim that anyone familiar with the development of both projects should know.
<1> so as amonfils says, it's not important :)
<4> beer time.
<1> oh yeah.
<0> Huh.
<0> I just installed KDE on this system and Konqueror was shown in my Applications -> Internet section in GNOME.
<0> I selected it.
<0> Guess what launched. Konqueror.
<1> cool :)
<0> I don't know what level of integration you're looking for, but I'd wager pretty extensively that this is what most users are after.
<1> fdiv_bug: *sigh* it's at the API level. it's a development issue, not a user level issue. occasionally i translates inot that but that's not the focus.
<6> re: channel name
<1> anyways.. dude,let it drop. you're at the wrong level
<1> yeah. #windows. shall we agree to stick to that? makes things so much more friendly
<0> Who's unfriendly?
<0> I'm interested in what you think the problem is.
<0> And we discuss a wide array of topics in here.
<1> as in it's not appropriate for here, people (including ops) want the topic to remain on windows centric inssues, so let's do so
<0> I'm an op...
<1> hell, call me on my voip if you want to discuss it. I don't care, just for the channel let's remain focused
<6> **** that. topic can be whatever you like it to be
<0> Deryl: Focused on what? Titties?
<1> Juppers: your #windows comment had me thinking otherwise
<0> I'm at work. :(
<1> fdiv_bug: mmm titties :)
<7> hmm itty bitty titties
<1> ITTY BITTY TITTIE COMMITTEE!
<5> !info windows
<1> woohoo!
<1> damn. so us straight guys.. where do we fit in? :)
<6> I can't remember the last time I saw a discussion about windows
<0> Deryl: I really do want to know exactly what you're talking about because so far all you've said is "it's an API issue." Are you talking about people wanting to write KDE apps using GTK and Mono?
<4> beer.
<5> !info support
<6> mmmmm.beer
<8> IE6 Asked me if I would "like to install an active X control", I said yes, but now I'd like to delete the control and have it re-ask me, how do i do that?
<0> Juppers: Is that site still up?
<0> Heh. Sorta. http://mmm.beer.com/
<6> fdiv - I hope so. else I would have pissed off customers
<5> Deryl: when it comes to homo***ual men and where you should fit in, do you REALLY want an answer to that?
<7> somewhere in windows downloaded program file I think
<7> delete it, should ask again?
<1> pizza_biz: I think I'm scared of the answer :)
<6> fdiv - don'e have the old code anymore that firefox didn't like
<0> Juppers: Ah well.
<1> fdiv_bug: writing kde apps that will integrate better with gnome's error reporting systems and APIs, vis versa. that level.
<0> It's no biggie, I just find it somewhat surprising.
<8> CanuckCDO: where
<8> ?
<0> Deryl: What, KDE apps that launch Bug Buddy when they crash?
<1> I'm not specificly a gnome or kde programmer, so the dark magic details are foreing to me however it HAS been in linux industry magazines, on major mail lists and the like for several years now
<1> err foreing even
<1> damn i
<1> my fixsay script is changing that word. hehe matched some regex i've got f o r e i g n
<7> windows directory, downloaded program files
<0> Deryl: I've not come across it much except for a few random ramblings, and I personally know people who work on GNOME stuff for both Red Hat and the-group-formerly-known-as-Ximian. If there is bitching going on, I guess it's occurring in the KDE camp, then.
<6> damn.. happy hour started 6 minutes ago
<8> CanuckCDO: ahh, i got it; ty :-) C:\Program Files\Quick Time\QT<something>.ocx
<1> fdiv_bug: :shrug: The 'issue' has existed since I worked at Red Hat. it's an old issue, and it's getting old discussing it since it stemmed from a random comment i made to someone. let's just move on
<0> Deryl: When did you work at Red Hat?
<1> 2000
<0> OMFG. It's you.
<8> CanuckCDO: Why does IE need an active x control to play QuickTime vidoes anyway? I do have the plugin installed, why is the ocx necessary too?
<7> sure it isn't in the downloaded program files dir in the windows dir?
<8> CanuckCDO: nope, but theres a "QTPLUGIN.INF" file there
<9> @find M$ VI$TA!
<9> *snickers*
<0> Mmmmm.
<0> "Hungry? Why wait? Eat something!"
<5> it's only satisfying if you copulate with it.
<9> I'm almost ready to go home.
<9> Which is hellafied.
<1> i's bored :/
<10> Why is my psu's fan on the bottom of it?
<11> bottom of what?
<0> stainer72: Gravity.
<1> what's gravity?
<0> That which is very grave.
<2> a ****ty nntp client
<2> re : Gravity
<0> Heya FK.
<2> then again
<2> there's not that many UN****ty nntp clients
<2> re fdiv
<10> shouldn't it be on the back to direct air out
<0> FKnight`: Do tell.
<0> Seriously, though. I wanna watch you rant about something.
<1> rut roh raggie :)
<2> you can check out my latest rant at Fk.Blog
<5> stainer72: you're doubting the ability of the engineers who designed the power supply?
<2> http://www.fkshow.com/archives/2006/01/adventures_with.html#more
<0> FKnight`: Hot! I didn't know you had a blog!
<5> **** blogs.
<2> no one else does either :D
<2> hahahaha
<2> The layout ****s too bad for me to tell anyone about it
<2> and, of course, lack of content
<1> ooo fun! http://isc.sans.org/blackworm
<0> FKnight`: My blog also ****s.
<2> Movable type is great
<2> I just have no design eye
<12> moo
<12> joe?
<2> the guys from Cyclone Radio (whom I've been hosting web and email for, for free, for the past 4 years), haven't decided to have their web guy do my layout for me.
<2> I'm still waiting
<0> FKnight`: I dislike MT, personally. I don't like the way it builds static pages. Or at least, the way it used to. I have no idea what MT3 is like since I switched to Textpattern long ago, and would probably be using WordPress or Typo otherwise.
<13> ya so
<13> i'm prolly buyin a 67 mustang on saturday
<13> werd
<2> Well, I'm still not sold on MT either, cause I haven't looked much at the selections of blogging platforms
<2> by the time my blog is ready for prime time, blogging will be out.
<2> :D
<9> Write your own dude.
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