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<0> (depsite their efforts to prove otherwise)
<1> and it would break down and you could not get msft to fix your car..
<2> nobody held a gun to your head
<2> again, uninstall it now, then.
<2> your argument is null and void as long as you keep using it
<2> i don't see how a plethora of linux OSs and other options, such as mac, makes you think MS is a monopoly
<2> you need to stop jerking off to slashdot
<1> only msft i use is win-xp.. absolutely not else...
<1> if i could avoid that in this ms-world.. i would.. but the simple fact is i can't
<2> sure you can
<2> you're just willing to
<1> thats why i was hoping the intel mac would change things..
<0> what does winxp do that is so bad?
<2> intel mac?
<0> cost you money?
<2> if anything, intel's business practices are WORSE than ms
<0> crash constantly?
<0> is slow?
<0> not extendable?
<2> you notice AMD has a pending suit against Intel for unfair biz practices, right?
<2> pay attention, son.
<2> this is a fast moving world
<2> sounds like you're stuck in 6 years ago
<1> i have an amd-64
<1> no intel either
<0> this is a useless conversation.
<2> yeah
<2> it's like arguing with a 15 year old about retirement benefits.
<2> windows on mac = buying a hyndai and putting ford body panels on it
<3> max86 comethz
<1> if i went into any business of medium-sized or bigger and suggested they go all non-msft, they would laugh me out of the office.. consider me a crackpot..
<1> mom and pop places maybe..
<2> ok our temporary editor is pissing me off
<2> TPasMan - blame the alternatives for not offering a feature-rich set of tools that businesses need to get work done
<3> TpasMan, write your own OS and stfu, kthx
<2> if the linux crowd could stop writing 30 versions of the same program
<2> and actually wrote something usable
<2> things might change
<2> instead you have everyone and their brother trying to write more of the same tools
<2> hating MS unfortunatley has made a lot of linux developers blind to the obvious needs of the business and desktop community
<2> catering to a small circle of people will only keep your circle nice and small
<2> MS is successful is because they study how people use computers, figure out what they need and want, and create it.
<2> they did this YEARS ago
<2> windows and office is simply an evolution of something they've been doing for 20 ****ing years now
<1> every third party program that has simular features to a msft product that i have seen has better features.. but msft the 800 ton gorrilla crushes all the best software...
<2> I think linux has had more than enough time to do the same
<2> umm, if the software is out there how is it 'crushed?
<2> people can use it. use it if its better.
<2> what's stopping you?
<2> and factof the matter is, office is worlds better than wordperfect suite
<2> excel offered an interface that made 1-2-3 look and work liek ****
<1> ms-word is a joke.. i can run circles around it with wordperfect.. but get any corp to use it
<2> outlook actually offers a usable scheduling interface
<2> wordperfect?!?!? AHAHAHA
<2> omg
<3> itz all a moving target. once you think you've made an accurate ***essment, you end up looking like TPissFace, an idiot.
<2> DINOSAUR
<4> [TPasMan]: Law firms tend to still use WordPerfect extensively.
<2> Only old school laywers use it, and even that is changing
<4> But, Office didn't "win" because it's Microsoft.
<4> It "won" because it's better.
<2> wordperfect is notoriously HORRIBLE at complex jobs such as page numbering, indexing, table of contents, footnotes and interfaces.
<3> **** works
<2> there's a reason nobody writes novels in wordperfect
<2> or publishes newspapers
<3> you run it on a 486, it ****s, on a p4, it rocks
<2> people who actually write for a living, not some dude writing letters to his pen pal
<4> Internet Explorer also "won" because it was, at the time when it mattered, better. NS4 was bloated garbage.
<2> and firefox is decent enough to take a signficant amount of market share from IE
<2> that's a testament to choice
<4> Then it was inertia, partially because it was the default which *was* due to it being a Microsoft product, keeping it there until some competition showed up in the form of Firefox.
<1> only reason IE is used over like netscape or firefox is that its free.. the 800 ton gorilla..
<2> and evidence that consumers don't just blindly go by what the 'gods of MS say'
<4> And now IE7 is changing to compete a bit more.
<1> msft doesn't compete on a level playing field...
<0> are you still talking?
<4> [TPasMan]: No, they don't, and successful business tactics teach you to make the playing field as uneven as you can.
<3> 800 ton gorilla has escaped and is making money for many and those that can't whine like TPisFag.
<4> Capitalism isn't always friendly or fair. Hell, it's usually *never* friendly.
<4> And it often tries to be as unfair as it can.
<1> IE has to be the worse browser there is...
<3> oh yea
<3> nobody uses it so it ****s?
<3> dude, go away.
<4> [TPasMan]: That's a matter of opinion, and one that I tend to agree with, but when it gained all the market share it has now that wasn't the case.
<4> NS4 was too little, too late, and Netscape got fat and happy. They sent no one to the HTML4 working group. Microsoft sent three or four of the IE guys.
<4> Now, it's Microsoft and IE that're fat and happy, and Firefox is stealing some of their lunch.
<4> So what did they do? Start improving IE.
<1> everyone uses it just because its free.. but they don't know better.. they just make do.. msft has made everyone complacent
<3> 1000 develepors need to earn their bmw payments
<4> [TPasMan]: You keep beating that same tired drum.
<4> [TPasMan]: People use it because it's the default, and that is something that Microsoft did which could be considered unfair. But this isn't playtime at the local nursery school, it's business.
<4> When you see an advantage, you seize it with both hands.
<1> well maybe intel-macs will start "stealling some of msft's lunch" and improve
<4> Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Microsoft and Apple are serious and dedicated business partners, you know.
<4> Office for Mac OS X is quite good.
<1> yea.. its a shame
<4> So was IE for Mac, several years ago.
<4> [TPasMan]: Why is it a shame that a company makes a good product?!
<4> Your rhetoric and zealotry are getting in the way of practical, reasoned thought.
<4> Which happens often with Microsoft-bashers, I've found.
<0> WHAT?
<0> PRACTICAL?
<0> REASONED THOUGHT?
<4> amonfils: :-D
<0> WHAT ARE THESE TREASONOUS WORDS YOU USE?
<1> msft uses apple/macs to claim that msft isn't a monopoly.. but msft owns apple shares..
<0> next you'll be spouting off about the cost of management and maintenance and upgrades and licenses and such!
<0> and steve jobs owns shares of pixar and will soon by the majority stock holder in disney.
<0> what's your point?
<0> cisco owns like 40something% of cogent
<1> does apple do whats best for apple or whats best for its customers?
<0> (or used too)
<4> [TPasMan]: It does what's best for its shareholders, so more the former than the latter, though the groups are often one and the same.
<0> apple does what is best to provide an impetus to their customers to buy their products.
<1> ?
<0> oh my, i've been ****ed in again to this circle jerk of a conversation.
<4> It just so happens encouraging people to buy your products by making good ones and advertising them well tends to bring in revenue for the company, increasing stock value, making people buy more stock, giving the company more resources to expend on improving...
<4> amonfils: You're right.
<4> So have I.
<4> **** this noise.
<5> let's talk about American Idol.
<1> so whats msft's goal... to own all the money on the planet?
<1> american idol is a waste of airtime
<5> tpasman: what's your thoughs on Paula's choices last night?
<4> Could someone please take out the trash? The client I'm using at the moment doesn't support DCC chat or else I'd do so myself. :\
<1> what a totally useless show
<4> CrazyD: Don't get baited by the troll, dude. He's not worth your time.
<5> but i wannnt too
<5> -o
<3> TPasMan is your typical buttwipe who has no real experience but heresay from his friends
<1> i don't watch dripple like american idol
<6> hello
<6> anybody here use vista?
<5> is it out?
<6> there are betas
<6> was wondering if anybody here used it
<1> vista = vaporware
<6> they use a new profiling system
<5> ok .... funk the noise
<6> so profiles are called profile.V2 on a pdc
<6> kind of ****s because there doesn't seem to be any compatibility with old xp profiles
<1> msft stay compatible with itself... heaven forbid
<6> heh
<6> kind of ****s really ;)
<6> your only options are to just use seperate profiles on your pdc
<6> or upgrade all your computers to vista/longhorn
<6> this must especially **** for the media edition of xp
<6> if you use a user logon to a pdc to stream movies from your pdc
<6> well.. i guess it's really not that serious.. but it still ****s :)
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