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<0> we already knew security in OS X isn't perfect, but low market share, combined with users not running as root have made most of the vulnerabilities a nuisance
<0> rather than a serious problem
<0> now more hackers are targeting OS X
<1> agreed.
<0> and some of those attacks involve "type in your root pw to see the dancing bunnies"
<1> hahaha
<0> and users being users will type their pw
<1> articul here http://www.cio-today.com/news/Mac-OS-X-Hit-by-Third-Vulnerability/story.xhtml?story_id=112003UZXEMO
<0> it is as I have predicted
<0> as popularity of a platform increases, so do the number of exploited vulnerabilities
<1> you and most of the common sense crowd
<1> with it hitting the intel platform (and subsequent os x cracks) it will only get worse!
<0> indeed
<1> but exploits merely make an os stronger (***uming they are swiftly patched)
<0> I get a kick out of the Linux crowd that argues how secure linux is. Putting that debate aside for a second, they want linux running on every desktop, if that wre the case, then ma and pa kettle would be running linux, and may actually open an infected zip or type their root pw when asked by a shell script because they simply don't know any better
<1> most exploits require some form of user agreement to allow the exploit to manifest itself
<0> The most troublesome viruses right now are ones that don't exploit any "hole" in "insecure" windows
<0> they exploit the user
<1> correct.
<0> now
<2> basically no OS is immune to user stupidity
<0> if Windows weren't running with Admin pers
<1> because ma and pa are not always the brighest bulbs of the bunch
<0> perms
<0> it would mitigate the risk
<1> indeed
<3> wait for vista.
<0> and Vista gets that right, or is trying to
<1> which msft recognizes and is attempting to correct in vista vista vista
<3> hehe
<1> speaking of which, has it hit msdn?
<2> yea all twelve editions of vista
<1> i think i would like to load it up
<0> I TRIED damn hard to run as a limited user in XP
<0> but the software wouldn't cooperate
<0> half the **** I had REQUIRES admin rights
<0> sure I could change registry perms
<0> and set up MakeMeAdmin scripts to hack around the problems
<0> but it was Too Much Trouble(tm)
<3> yeah it's not realistic to run w/o it
<0> of course, we all know Vista will have vulnerabilities
<1> of course.
<1> in reality, most people shouldn't deploy until vista.0 becomes vista.1
<0> but you know, IIS 6 hasn't had any problems for... 8 or 9 months now
<1> let all the early adopters work out the bugs
<0> Microsoft does seem to be learning
<1> i suspect it costs them quite a bit of money to remediate the various holes and exploits ... both in hard dollars and soft dollars
<0> I dunno, I installed XP hot off the press. I was quite pleased.
<0> But I don't havee hardware to run Vista, so I'll have to wait anyway
<4> is there a system-wide way around the 255 character path limit?
<5> Not that there is any real advantage to run Vista over XP.
<4> i don't udnerstand http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/14607/14607.html
<4> not clear if i can make my *programs* do that
<4> i.e. my mp3 database prog
<1> i will be running it on lesser hardware just for testing and a simple "get familiar" with it ... won't be running it for anything significant
<1> just 'cause i'm curious like that!
<5> yole, what don't you understand exactly?
<0> Actually, there are a number of kernel and other enhancements in Vista that, despite its added bloat, might make it run about the same as XP on similar hardware
<5> Just run all paths like so.
<0> I found the same thing with 2000 and XP. Quite frankly I find them faster than 98 on the same hardware
<6> why can't your program add "\\?\" to the beginning of paths ?
<1> i was unaware of the \\?\ trick.
<1> i can finish my day. i learned something new.
<5> Jet, regardless apart from some of the nice GUI enhancements, most businesses do not have an overall plan to rollout Vista over XP.
<0> a lot of that had to do with the fact that I'm not as worried about it coming down in a steaming pile everytime I click something
<5> XP is a good solid product and Vista does not offer anything essentially more than what is needed over XP.
<6> How do you buy a new computer and run Windows XP instead of Vista without buying Windows again?
<0> Dovinshka: that's what many said of XP over 2000
<1> yes it does, if the details hold out to be true.
<6> cause they're all gonna come with visa
<6> *vista
<1> vista will over a slew of security things that'll make corporate life better.
<1> again, ***uming msft delivers.
<1> s,over,offer,
<5> New machines/OEMs, sure. But to replace?
<0> we just finished our roolout of XP
<0> rollout
<0> my company won't be going to Vista in a year
<0> more like 3
<0> I suspect many will be the same
<6> we're still half 2K
<0> but that was true of XP too
<1> agreed.
<5> Exactly Jet, and most businesses think along the same lines.
<0> so nothing has changed
<0> MS releases a new OS, companies roll it out 3 years later
<0> companies are typically going to MS's new OS just as MS is releasing their next one
<0> I think MS knows this
<0> er
<0> companies are typically going to MS's current OS
<6> no, they start rolling it out right away. It takes three years to work out all of the XP machines through attrition
<5> Wtf I just coughed up something nasty.
<0> FKnight`: they might start a migration strategy when it is released
<0> and obviously some technical staff become "early adopters"
<6> you can't not start rolling it out right away because it's impossible to stay with XP legally when purchasing new computers without double paying a license. It only TAKES three years to work it all through
<1> i wonder how fast the 'gadget' exploits will start rolling
<0> oh, you're talking about buying Dell or whatever with Vista pre-installed
<0> I think we get our Dell's without an OS
<6> yeah you can't by a machine without windows
<0> I could be wrong
<6> Dell has machines without an OS, but they aren't supported
<0> Badtzmaru or someone says otherwise
<6> the L series
<6> and they're built with spare parts
<6> we have two of them
<7> Dell likes you to buy what your selling.. If you buy a server, they wont let you install anything but Serv 03 or Linux.. no XP.. even if you don't need it
<7> er there selling
<6> you want a box that can do dual monitor from Dell without an OS?
<6> good luck
<6> I couldn't even add an AGP dual monitor card for our 170L because it couldn't handle it
<6> I had to get a PCI
<6> a PCI SINGLE card
<6> because I also couldn't disable the onboard
<4> Dovinshka i don't understand if it's only for manyal renaming, or if, for instance, you could put it in the path name for a program
<6> so thats Dell's "NO OS" machine
<4> i.e. the destination directory to save files to, etc.
<8> I need an example of an image that has a zoomed section
<8> Like to emphasize one setting or something.
<8> I'm trying to duplicate that in photoslop and I can't ****ing make it look right.
<6> you can't buy the Desktop OS via Open License
<6> I think only via Enterprise Agreement
<6> and you need to be rich for that
<6> OEM licenses, however, CAN be converted to Open Business licenses by purchasing SA though
<6> the SA loophole effectively converts an OEM license to Open Business but only for downgrade rights I think
<6> I don't think you can move the license to another machine
<6> so you gotta buy Software ***urance *OR* retail license to get downgrade rights on an OEM istalled Desktop MS OS
<6> *BUT* .. Vista Enterprise will have SA built into the purchase price
<6> so that's prolly not gonna be an issue
<6> you'll automatically get SA if you get Vista
<6> What I really wish Microsoft would do is make sure the non-SA SKUs of Windows are unattractive for business use so my company doesn't get all cheap
<6> cause SA I think is mostly fair
<6> and you should have it
<6> like make sure non Vista Ent editions can't do domain ****
<6> **** like that
<0> convert your offices to linux and openoffice, its the only answer :)
<9> 09:47 < FKnight`> because I also couldn't disable the onboard
<1> hgahaaha
<1> UBUNTU!
<9> FKnight`: that's all your fault. you cant expect the low end model to be able to do that
<1> which i gotta tell ya, the ubuntu image running in vmplayer is pretty nifty
<6> my point was that the only way to buy a non-OS Dell is to buy their lemon model
<9> ok
<9> point inserted, pulled back, and injected
<9> may the pleasure begin
<6> what do you guys think of this -- for our SMALL satellite offices .. like 10 people. We're putting in a Prolient ML150. We're gonna use GSX Server to run Win2K3 as their file/print, and BSD for router/firewall/site2site vpn
<6> sound safe?
<6> all on the same box
<0> Vista will include "Collaboration Technologies"... ie P2P networking
<6> no linksys, no cisco
<6> just the BSD Virtual Machine
<0> OMG! MICROSOFT IS TRYING TO KILL bITTORRENT
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