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<0> it's like where the air is cleaner, people are smarter ;)
<1> anyone wanna come clean my house today?
<0> teebsgrrl: hehe if you come clean mine
<1> nah
<2> instead of trying to standardize on different measurements. Just ****ing put both on the sign in COLOR. RED for English, Blue for Metric. Every sign. But then what would happen is you'd have ***hole politicians and busy bodies arguing for years over what colors to choose
<2> then it'll be red vs. blue
<1> tedski is coming voer tomorrow so we gotta clean
<2> then Dems vs. Reps
<0> teebsgrrl: damn. can't blame a man for trying :)
<2> "Those ****ing liberals want BLUE for Metric"
<1> ok then use green and orange
<0> hahaha
<3> Damn, Newsleecher rocks.
<2> I can't believe people still ****ing argue over this
<2> meanwhile
<0> rworks: yeah everyone i know loves it
<2> every sign on the road is ****ing GREEN
<2> which it has been for years
<4> FKnight`: its a slippery slope. Today blue metric on signs, tomorrow you'll want to be caring about the environment
<2> Jet hahah
<0> FKnight`: let's just face it. the USA is ****ed up. done/done
<1> hehehehe
<0> i'm an AMERICAN saying America is ****ed up. that's pretty bad for the country when I know plenty that agree!
<1> deryl is kinda annoying
<0> teebsgrrl: why? I spent many years as a soldier. I've earned the right to talk about my country
<0> i actually did something FOR the country.
<1> calm down dude, you can say whatever you want
<2> we're the best nation on Earth, but that's like saying Agent is the best newsreader
<2> i.e. not much
<1> just when put in persepctive our country is not that bad a place to live
<0> so what makes me annoying? speaking my mind?
<5> heh.
<0> teebsgrrl: it's all relative
<1> beeting a dead horse, that is what makes you annoying
<5> blood everywhere.
<1> and i only said kind annoying, thats not too bd for this channel :)
<0> i don't see how i was beating a dead horse. but .. ok.
<6> haha
<6> teebs :)
<1> hi joe
<6> hows it going?
<1> i was just about to go get a showrr and start being productive
<6> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<6> productivity is scary
<2> dude
<0> &
<1> ted is coming over tomorrow, gotta have a clean house
<6> Im putting my rear suspension back together
<6> really?
<2> I think Monday night is the best night to have "24" on
<2> because if you think your monday was bad
<2> check out Jack Bauer's
<6> Hah
<1> really joe
<6> teebsgrrl, damn, I shoudla been known about it
<6> I woulda drove over haha
<1> its ok
<1> have to clean house, wash curtains and i wanna try a cake recipe too today
<1> oh, and take down tree
<6> :)
<6> heheh
<6> we took ours down 2 3 weeks ago now heh
<1> we are lazy
<1> plain adn simple lazy
<1> too lazy to be other than plain and simple in fact
<1> HI!
<7> http://my.opera.com/SerbianFighter/albums/show.dml?perscreen=40&id=30788 soccer chicks
<1> Joe-7: ther eis plenty of time to drive here still
<1> hi azure
<1> bye bye everybosy
<1> see you later most likely
<0> teebsgrrl: HI :)
<8> ok, you got me thinking.
<8> time to force management into an internal 'security' solution.
<8> first up, cisco clean access
<0> teebsgrrl: i do apologize though. I'm more than fairly blunt. Just me :)
<0> amonfils: you can use MSAT as well to help you figure out a security plan.
<0> grab it off microsoft.com
<6> teebs yeah haha
<0> you can also use threat modeling for any developers you have (http://msdn.microsoft.com/security/securecode/threatmodeling/default.aspx)
<2> we launched our new website the other night
<2> http://www.genesisgroup.com
<8> my newtork is at a crossroads however; i have lots of customers starting to deploy their own infrastructure and presenting me with a single easily defendable point of access.
<0> and use this for figuring out all your steps needed to craete yourself a solid risk ***essment and deployment strategy
<0> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/policiesandprocedures/secrisk/default.mspx
<0> right, all customer networks should be considered 'hostile'
<8> we already take that stand.
<8> that's old news.
<0> ok, well that's a start then :)
<0> hey barry
<8> basically they are no longer relying on us because company who purchased us filters the intarweb heavily. we never did that before and they want access to port.
<9> Heya
<8> s,port,porn,
<8> and party poker
<8> ****in traders.
<8> more money than god
<0> heheh
<8> it helps when your company is in the top 60 of the fortune 500
<9> SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - A prison inmate who shed 31 pounds so he could escape through a narrow hole in a wall has been recaptured after three days on the run in Sydney, the prison department said Sunday.
<9> hehe.
<8> the NT folks will go crazy when I suggest this
<8> this will be fun
<0> well one of the best ways to get customers to go along with a newly defined security plan is to deploy notices in places they regularly look at that the company is currently undertaking a security analysis of it's infrastructure to better realignwith today's "Best Practices" security methodolgies.
<2> our website is too ****ing lsow
<2> slow
<5> quake 4 single player is pretty good.
<0> inform that the new security policy will be posted before implementation and that implementation changes will take place approximately 1 business week after posting
<0> gives them a chance to see and prepare.
<4> our (non fortune 500) company has a Chief Security Officer
<4> his only job is to ensure there are best practices defined and implemented
<4> and that every part of the company is conforming
<2> What's a good, free antivirus scanner for Linux that also has a sendmail milter, besides ClamAV.
<2> ?
<0> some will argue, but if you do your analysis right you'll be able to back every step you're going to take, as well as allay fears that the customer will have no input when you also state that the company is doing an ongoing Program Effectiveness measurement.
<2> I'm tired of their "update your clamav before you can update your defs" bull****
<4> AVG has a workstation version for Linux, but I doubt that includes a sendmail filter
<0> Jet: yeah, it doesn't require you be a fortune 500 company to define, document, implement, and evaluate security policies
<2> My ClamAV has been out of date for about a year because they required 3 updates to the software to update defs in that time.
<2> "Well, FK you should have checked your logs"
<2> **** YOU
<2> Do you have any idea how many ****ing log files a system administrator has to deal with
<2> ?
<2> Can't I ****ing install software that works
<2> without breaking 6 months later
<0> however, too many businesses out there THINK that that's only for the major companies. Joe Bob running a consulting business out of his home should define the same thing
<4> judging by amonfils' comments, being in the top 60 of his fortune 500 company has made them have lots of inertia to change
<4> and they are slow to adapt
<0> so umm, what's wrong with updating your clamav engine?
<8> terribly slow.
<8> terribly political.
<2> Deryl: The fact that I had to do it, apparently, three times over the last year
<2> and I'm just now realizing the definition updates aren't succeeding
<4> we have lots of politics too, but upper management realized that and that's part of why we have a CSO
<2> because they updated their engine several times
<8> we were a small privately held company purchased for our trading platform and options exchange penetration
<2> breaking updates of defs
<4> who can push ANY dept around
<0> Jet: yeah. however pain is a motivator. documenting the cases where it's been extremely painful like citibank, bank of american, and others.. will help bolster the case.
<8> we have IT depts. for IT depts.
<2> I'm dumping this cheap, ghetto-*** Sendmail/ClamAV/Spam***asin ****
<8> 54k employees worldwide
<2> The **** stack
<4> and replacing it with Exchange
<4> and Microsoft Anti-virus
<4> :)
<8> outsource to spamini!
<0> FKnight`: what is the problem with updating the engine as many times as is needed? many viruses check for certain engines before deploying their payload. they know how to check in-memory signatures to find out if a specific engine is running and if so to deploy differently.
<2> Who here just got a Barracuda?
<0> updating the engine usually has signature changes or binary protection mechanisms that protect the engine from hijacking
<0> it's usually a GOOD thing to update the engine :)
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