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<0> by putting binary drivers in
<1> The GPL'd, guaranteed-to-stay-and-remain-$0 distro?
<1> I haven't tried it myself, but about 8-10 months ago one of my friends was floored that his Ubuntu box just found his camera and opened up whatever photo app it had.
<0> the desktop user doesn't mind paying for an OS :D That's what I think desktop linux advocates don't get. People will pay for an OS, so that's not an overriding determining factor.
<1> FKnight`: They don't mind paying for an OS, but they also like saving money.
<1> All I'm saying is that those of us in the Linux world consider Linspire an "also ran."
<0> sure. But they're not gonna want to save money at the cost of having to worry about whether a device they buy from CompUSA is gonna work. The **** Linspire is doing to get hw mfg's on board is gonna bring that stability.
<1> You're the only person I've ever known to say their name in a serious fashion.
<1> FKnight`: Ubuntu ****ing works, dude. Now. Without proprietary driver support, which it does have.
<2> dling it now haha
<1> It's got the respect of the open source community.
<1> Linspire actively has that working /against/ it.
<0> We'll see man
<0> maybe you're right
<0> either way I'm looking at MS's future more skeptically nowadays
<1> Oh, I'm not questioning that.
<0> I dunno though
<0> hehe
<1> I'm just questioning the attention you're paying to Linspire when you don't appear to have considered the *current* contenders.
<0> oh I can't speak for Ubuntu that's why I'm downloading it
<1> Seriously. Download Ubuntu.
<1> Okay, cool. :)
<0> and Freespire I don't think is out yet
<1> If I were going to run Linux on a desktop or workstation machine for anything other than work, Ubuntu's the one.
<0> Vista better ****ing give blow jobs though dude
<0> because if it doesn't
<3> i'm probably going to get ubuntu to run a freenx box
<0> I think ****'s gonna hit the fan
<3> since i can't get freenx working in fbsd for RDP connections
<4> vista could give blowjobs and it won't meet expectations of the hype
<3> hype > *
<4> cause someone would be "ya it gives blowjobs, but it doesn't SWALLOW!"
<4> most people will be incredibly underwhelmed
<3> and even if it swallowed
<5> yeah, but if it did give blowjobs, people wouldn't care
<4> even though there is a LOT of new technology in the desktop composing code alone
<5> about the expectations, that is
<6> well ****. what good is it if it doesn't swallow?! **** that.
<3> someone would be "ya it swallows, but it doesn't put out"
<4> "It doesn't take it up the ***!"
<3> sure it does
<0> but see look at it from the end-users perspective. To us, there's a lot of cool **** under the hood and great advancements and crap. To the end user, it looks like something Apple came out with 4 years ago
<3> it's a MS product
<3> :P
<4> FKnight-: exactly
<4> and honestly, the desktop rendering **** needed to be redone 5 years ago
<4> even MS admits that
<0> yeah
<0> it's their own fault they're so behind
<4> of course Apple got it right, they built it from the ground up
<5> actually, to the vast majority of the end users, they have no idea it looks like something that apple came out with 4 years ago because they've never seen os/x
<0> ****in' Allchin and **** back in the IE4/Win9x days
<5> that's only something geeks think about
<5> the public at large couldn't give a rats *** or even are aware of it
<4> Barsky: well, lets rephrase... the desktop will work the way they expect it should
<4> instead of the way it does not
<4> now
<3> indeed
<4> ie - no artifacts
<4> none of this drag a window and leave a big white squire
<4> square
<3> artiwhats?
<4> all that ****
<3> even under load?
<5> the m*** public has no issue with ie now. they don't even understand why they should. it's a browser. it's there. they use it. they don't think about it
<3> that's the only time i reaqlly notice it
<0> Jet: Amazing though, because if you look at the log files for #Windows, I'm the only one on Earth who's ever seen that happen in the GUI.
<0> So I don't know why it had to be rewritten
<0> sartan y0
<0> sartan: you there?
<3> F - i 've seen that
<1> </ubuntu_cheerleader>
<3> noc noc sartan
<3> damn server
<5> it's only the geek public we are part of that is aware or gives a **** about any of this stuff
<3> i still don't give a **** about it
<7> I don't either, LOL
<7> i'll use whatever, just pay me
<5> hehe
<5> there you go. not even all of the geek public
<7> i'll use lynx
<7> for all I care
<8> FKnight yeah here
<3> i finally found myself a test machine for GPO stuff
<3> hi sartan.
<4> Barsky: I agree to a point... even uninformed consumers (the subset who have computers) know when MS releases a new OS, and some of them rush out to get it
<4> and they'll install it
<4> and they'll say "it looks the same"
<4> no matter how different it is
<4> because its a mouse, windows and icons
<3> the 3.1->4.x jump was huge for them
<3> ever since then....
<4> whereas the consumer is expecting something from Swordfish
<3> that should be 3.x->4.x
<5> but that's something I always find funny about the geek public. they think all this **** we see and think about means anything to the public at large. if they are aware of it at all it's only what the news channel scared them into being aware of
<8> hullo!!
<5> jet: I agree. but that wasn'
<5> t what I was referring to
<5> :)
<3> still true heh
<4> okay.
<4> I mean, my dad is one of those "couldn't give a ****" people
<9> whats this 2ms and 8ms in LCD monitors on sites?
<4> but he knows MS is releasing a new OS
<5> the news makes them aware of the new os. they wouldn't be otherwise
<4> because he read about it in Macleans magazine
<4> precisely
<3> Whisky_: i can't remember the name of it, but it's the time it takes to blacken a pixel
<5> hell, how many times have you asked someone what OS they're using and they don't even know :)
<4> Barsky: I'm using Office 98!
<8> man
<3> 98?
<8> gui irc clients **** balls
<3> pfft
<5> :)
<5> they answer windows
<3> i'm using excel 4.0
<5> ah, which windows?
<5> I don't know. I think it looks like yours
<9> and whats "leakage/bleeding" ?
<5> well gee, that limits it to win95 and up :D
<8> GEEKS
<8> i need some advice. hey
<0> sartan: get Linspire
<3> sartan: usually put the lube on BEFORE you penetrate
<8> evntwin.exe is trapping **** as '%1' without descriptions
<0> sartan: yeah
<8> but i get full oid variable **** as traps
<0> sartan: I got **** that does that
<8> but i can only treat it as text with my snmp management
<8> so i can't really filter out the background noise
<0> I usually surrender
<0> and not try to fix it
<8> like the actual contents of the text is [1] <oid> [2] <more oid ****> text (Octal)
<8> ahh
<8> yeah =/
<7> I am using office 2007
<7> ahahaha
<8> i was hoping to find a way to tap into the balls of evntwin to change it
<5> most IT folks are incapable of seeing that the general public simply doesn't give a **** about any of this stuff. if their computer turns on and they can IM with their friends and surf the web and get email, everything it great :)
<7> it sux though
<8> but that #PRAGMA **** or whatever ****s.
<8> it doesn't do anything
<3> Barsky: yup
<5> generally speaking
<4> Barsky: yup
<10> dont forget getting paid for it
<9> Would a large LCD be bad for gaming? If i want to connect my xbox to it ?
<5> but hey, the news told them ie wasn't safe. go get ff. they had no clue why. most didn't. but a bunch did
<5> :)
<7> beautiful, I can't even format the Drive
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