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<0> fdiv_bug, i.e. they have one DIMM slot or ?
<1> well that's the same with the imac
<0> (like Mac Mini)
<2> That, and the Mac Mini has expansion options in terms of FireWire and USB 2.0 ports. That's how you're supposed to upgrade it.
<1> you can't upgrade that ****
<1> you can't even SERVICE it
<2> suv4x4: No, but that's a notable exception.
<1> that's the part that pisses me off
<2> Gimp-Work: The **** you can't. It's Apple's most serviceable machine yet.
<1> yeah
<1> you can replace the ram
<1> woohoooo
<2> Or the hard drive.
<1> heh
<1> dvd drive?
<1> video card?
<0> Apple users should really have low expectations if USB & Firewire counts as upgrading your machine.
<1> can you add a drive internally?
<1> can you add a dvd rom internally?
<0> Especially that Firewire is on the way out.. I mean the latest iPod doesn't even support it anymore
<1> also wtf one ram slot
<1> on a duo
<2> Gimp-Work: I don't know about the DVD drive, and I believe the video is onboard (as it is in many budget PCs).
<1> gogo single channel
<1> that's bull****
<0> Gimp-Work, lol..
<1> fdiv_bug, yeah but it has no SLOT for a video card
<1> or anything
<1> capture card?
<1> **** you, usb, biatch
<2> Gimp-Work: Neither does the eMachines box my friend got his son for Christmas.
<1> maybe he should have bought a $300 dell
<1> with a pci-e slot
<2> I'm done defending Apple to you guys. I think it's super that you've got needs that exceed their consumer level products, but you're not their target market no matter how much you think you are.
<1> wait
<1> the lowest price emachines has no slots?
<1> http://emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=T3304
<1> how can that not have slots
<2> Gimp-Work: The one he got didn't have AGP, as I recall.
<1> looks like it has TWO dimm slots
<1> fdiv, yeah because nforce 4 uses pcie
<1> hipset: NVIDIA nForce 410
<2> Gimp-Work: It wasn't an nForce system.
<1> then he bought a product they don't even make anymore
<2> ****s to be him, then.
<2> Life is hard.
<1> that's like me saying, macs ****, they don't have internal hard drive
<1> mac cl***ic, werd
<2> I will tell you this, though. I'm sick of hearing armchair pundits like yourselves drone on and on about how Apple is failing here, or this product of theirs ****s for these reasons, or you should just buy a Dell.
<3> wow, what a ****ty start to my day.
<2> Heya pb.
<1> fdiv, it's my opinion
<3> i guess i'll be getting a new car. :-/
<1> i'm not saying there aren't people that macs are good for
<0> fdiv_bug, some drone on Apple, some on Windows, some on Linux, life's like that
<1> i just hate them, and i've delinieated the reasons
<2> suv4x4: And I tend to dislike all of them.
<1> and i'm not even talking about the OS, just the hardware configurations heh
<2> Gimp-Work: And your reasons paint you into a niche.
<1> fdiv, what person in their right mind, would put TWO processors that support dual channel ram, on a single channel
<1> wtf is the point
<2> You're a niche user. Most of us, if not all of us, are.
<0> fdiv_bug, however there's the major difference that Apple's begging for it with their arrogant marketing and insistant attempts to belittle PC-s and not long time ago, Intel chips as well
<1> WTF IS THE POINT
<1> you'll never hit 100% utilization
<2> Gimp-Work: My mother could not give less of a **** about her system's memory configuration.
<1> because it's 50% of the bandwidth that those chips need
<1> no, the point is "wow apple has dual cores woooooooo"
<1> no, they really don't, cause you can't actually USE them both
<1> because you don't have enough goddamn bandwidth
<2> Gimp-Work: Seems to work well enough in the benchmarks I've seen of Universal Binaries.
<0> fdiv_bug, turn on level 1 cache on your PC and let your mom work on it to see if she really doesn't care about her configuration :)
<1> it's not hard to beat a ****ty low clocked RISC configuration
<4> I have the gas.
<2> suv4x4: She probably wouldn't notice.
<0> memory bandwidth is just as important as CPU performance
<4> Just so you guys know.
<4> If you smell something, it's probably me.
<1> fdiv she wouldn't
<0> fdiv_bug, you sure? Windows XP takes like 15 minutes to boot like that
<1> but anyone running photoshop would
<1> or premiere, or AF, or maya
<2> Gimp-Work: And people running Maya don't buy iMacs.
<1> people running photoshop do
<2> Gimp-Work: Not really.
<1> even running office you could saturate that bus
<0> without level 1 cache even opening your start menu is a pain so..
<2> When I worked at the Apple Store I sold more G5s to Photoshop users than iMacs.
<1> my point fdiv, is why bother putting a dualcore chip in an imac
<1> it's mentally retarded
<2> Gimp-Work: So go work for Apple, if you know how to design their systems so well.
<1> so you think it makes sense?
<5> you know.\
<2> Gimp-Work: I think it doesn't matter.
<5> when someone complains about receiving UNIX text files for a backup report
<2> Because performance isn't the iMac's goal.
<5> and they're a linux administrator for the client.
<5> they can **** my cock
<2> sartan: Buh?
<2> Their text editor doesn't handle different line endings properly?
<0> fdiv_bug, Jobs begs to differ, or why would they switch to intel you think? For starters because their G4 laptops were too slow.
<0> and you can't put G5 in a laptop and expect it to be a pleasant experience
<0> (heat, power)
<1> all they had to do is add one ram slot
<2> suv4x4: They were /slower/, but not /too slow/. There's a difference.
<0> fdiv_bug, ok so their Intel switch basically makes no sense.
<2> suv4x4: If you think speed was the only reason they made the switch then you're foolish.
<0> fdiv_bug, and if you're smart let me know the other reasons
<2> Gimp-Work: The iMac Core Duo has two memory slots...
<5> notepad.exe
<2> suv4x4: The G4 had hit a wall in terms of performance gains. The fastest G4 systems Apple ever made, the dual 1.47GHz, was an overclocked and heavily cooled pair of 1.25GHz chips.
<1> since when?
<0> it's not as IBM wouldn't sell them G5/G4 chips, but Apple wasn't happy with their performance, and on top of that was the performance of their laptops
<2> Gimp-Work: http://www.apple.com/imac/whatsinside.html
<2> Read, dude.
<2> You might learn something.
<2> "512MB (single SODIMM) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory; two SODIMM slots support up to 2GB"
<1> then i retract my comment
<1> but the sodimm part is still silly
<2> Gimp-Work: Why? It's tight in there.
<2> suv4x4: IBM couldn't produce enough G5 chips, and they haven't been making G4s.
<1> if it's meant to be cheaper, make the case .2" deeper and use normal ram
<1> i dunno
<5> so it turns out i'm not supposed to be here today
<5> haha
<2> Freescale was making G4s, and they also couldn't produce the volume.
<1> fdiv, they could have produced plenty
<5> nothing like coming to work when you didn't plan on it
<1> they just didn't want to
<2> Intel spends more on R&D than Freescale has revenue.
<2> Gimp-Work: The net effect is the same.
<1> true
<2> suv4x4: There were also the heat and power issues you mentioned before with regard to the G5s.
<1> oh yeah, g5 wouldn't have worked in a lappy
<2> A G5 laptop is, at this point in time, an impractical thing to the point where it's impossible.
<2> You could make a G5 laptop.
<2> It would crush your legs.
<1> ibm would have had to use the cluster ppc tech they have
<1> for low power power5 chips
<1> but i doubt they'd give that to apple
<2> The Core Duo also has hella low power requirements and heat output, lower than even the G4 and G3 chips used in the PowerBooks and iBooks.
<0> fdiv_bug, well if performance was no issue they could use slower chips and not have power/heat issues. Thing if fdiv, it all matters.
<2> This allows Apple to design form factors they couldn't have done with the G4.
<1> they are 90nm chips aren't they?
<1> or 65?
<1> of course the power need is lower :P
<2> Gimp-Work: 65, I believe.
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