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<0> if you need to do fomratting n ****
<0> yeah
<0> word 2000 is fine
<1> And if the next version of outlook might be compelling too, so i dunno.
<2> Office 12 has some neat ****
<1> Yeah.
<2> but I dunno if its even worth stealing
<3> newspapers still mostly use runoff style markup, don't they? .p and so forth?
<2> :)
<1> peerce, no.
<0> especially for us sharepoint people
<1> word dumped directly into quark
<3> ah
<1> laid out at the editors desk, sent digitally to the printer
<1> no more paste and wax and scissors. :D
<2> digidog: big time tie-in/dependancy, but it is a total solution
<1> and the photography is all digital now too.
<1> totally.
<3> ok, this is odd. in my inbox,
<3> The automatic reply to this e-mail which you should have
<3> received in response to your e-mail to admin@autohandle.com has not been defined.
<3> Please contact postmaster@autohandle.com for ***istance.
<4> I love these people on Slashdot who think it's okay to steal OS X
<0> what is that ichat virus called?
<2> FKnight`: what's their justification?
<1> peerce - maybe someone sent spam with your email as a random "from:"
<4> Jet: "Apple is stupid for not selling it for other PCs"
<4> that's the justification for stealing it
<2> hahaha
<2> ya, they want to have to support it on ****ty over-clocked hardware with crappy 3rd party drivers
<3> nerp; yeah, probably. in facat, the 'to' address on that was a whack 'alternate' address my ISP uses, I never use that address at all. `pierce@there.net`
<4> Everyone thinks Windows ****s because Microsoft doesn't have a controlled hardware landscape. Apple's not ****ing stupid.
<2> "Why does OS X **** so much?!"
<2> "It keeps crashing on my Bargain Bills Basement PC!"
<4> yeah
<4> that's EXACTLY why they won't release it for other PCs
<2> yup
<1> FKnight` - don't even get me started on the whole xp on the intel mac thing either.
<1> until someone completley writes a bios flash from SCRATCH with no documentation
<1> it's NOT gonna happen. :D
<1> and beyond that, i'm not even addressing the severe lack of a point in doing it anyway
<3> about the same point as running linux on a ipod ;-/
<2> nerp: well, being able to game on teh same machine you do video editing on might be cool :)
<2> duel boot
<1> Jet - to be honest, I wouldn't expect much in terms of gaming performance with a kludge like that.
<1> you think an ATI driver set is gonna happily work on that? :D
<1> and hell, what drivers are you going to have anyway?
<5> so OSX is all like on guard and Windows is like have at the! (Duel Booting)
<2> I don't game
<2> I'm more and more tempted to make my next computer an Apple
<2> its just I know all of Windows quirks
<2> I have tons of software for Windows
<6> You're that bored?
<7> well...
<2> I'm sure I can Xwindows or VNC from my livingroom laptop to an Apple desktop
<2> but Remote Desktop is dropdead easy
<2> I don't have to figure it out
<2> or think about it
<7> Lets look at things
<1> OSX is neat and all but not compelling enough for me to swtich.
<1> switch
<7> At this point in time a PC can run any OS except for specialized OSs like OSX.
<1> as far as hardware goes, I feel like I can always build something nicer than apple. :D
<7> A MAC can now run OSX and Linux
<2> I look across my taskbar at my icons and wonder how I'd so _not_ enjoy finding replacments for it all
<7> And some hackers might be porting OSX to the PC soon, lol
<1> and you'd have less options to choose from, too.
<2> does Sun even offer a free JDK for OS X?
<2> for example
<4> Cpt_Kirk: The hackers that just got Served by Apple ?
<2> or is the OS X JRE always lagging behind
<7> well according to the hackers they say that the story os blown out of proportion
<4> of course they did
<3> Cpt_Kirk; right, thats why all the websites it was posted on were shutdown yesterday
<3> DMCA court orders
<2> ya, no OS X JDK from Sun
<7> no they took down some stuff from their web sites
<2> :(
<7> But anyway that is beside the point
<7> they are going to probably port it if they can
<3> thats not a port.
<2> that still violates the license
<3> thats a hack, quite different.
<4> that's not a port. It's already ported. They're HACKING it
<2> Apple makes it pretty clear, OS X is not to be run on non Apple hardware
<4> yeah
<2> and how _can_ you
<2> you bought a copy with your APple hardware
<3> and that sort of hacking, disabling copy protection, is very much punishable under the DMCA
<2> if you are running it on _another_ PC
<2> you're running two copies
<4> you can buy OS X retail
<2> oh?
<2> did not know that
<4> in fact
<2> why would you?
<7> have you heard about XEN
<4> you can buy enough licenses for a family for under $300
<2> don't you get a copy with every Apple computer?
<8> Jet: Because your Mac came with 10.3. How else would you get 10.4?
<4> Jet: Sure. If you get tiger
<4> and a year later, Leopard comes out
<2> fdiv_bug: upgrade
<4> you're gonna buy leopard
<4> or Cheetah
<4> or whatever the ****
<8> Jet: Right, by buying it.
<2> seems that Apple should just sell it via their website
<2> to registered owners
<7> you mean OSX isnt free with the MAC when you buy it?
<2> rather than across the counter retail
<8> Why?
<7> actually what am I saying, its apple, lol
<4> It's faster to buy it at the store than to download it
<7> They didnt even provide a mains adaptor with the ipod
<8> If I bought a Mac from someone off eBay then I should be able to purchase and run an OS on it, from Apple.
<4> yeah
<4> especially if the ebay mac has an older version
<4> besides, forcing people to buy software on a website only for their operating system presupposed a working OS with Internet Access
<4> *presupposes
<4> what if the ebay mac got formatted?
<4> and the dude ditched his media
<9> ok now. I have beer. I have cheese. Life Is Good.
<2> okay, I'll buy my copy all legal like, then reverse engineer it, in violation of the DMCA or whatever, then run it on non-apple hardware in violation of Apple's own license
<9> i think osx is only like 99 bucks or less
<9> at least when i bought 10.3 thats about all i paid for it
<8> z0g^: $129.
<9> and that license allows you to install it on all of your macs.
<2> Actually, on a recent Channel 9 Virtualization video, they were asked specifically about OS X, and they said 1) OS X won't work in Virtual Server and likely never will and 2) doing it would violate Apple's license anyway
<8> z0g^: No, it does not.
<8> The single-license copy is just that.
<9> Yeah mine said all under-one-roof
<9> like a reasonable number in a family
<8> The family pack, which allows you to install it on up to five systems, is $199.
<8> Perhaps that's what you're thinking of.
<9> Thats odd. I need to dig out my box and re-read.
<4> maybe it was on sale
<7> aha i see
<7> so it OSX was hacked for x86
<2> no
<2> it was ported to Intel hardware
<2> it was hacked to run on non-Apple hardware
<9> crpa. cant find it. oh well.
<2> er, ported to Intel CPU instruction set
<7> can u tun OSX on a PC?
<7> tun = run
<8> Cpt_Kirk: Not legally, no.
<4> well
<2> you can run OS X on an Intel CPU
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