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<peerce> !google chillispot
<WinInfo> http://www.chillispot.org/
<peerce> !google nocatsplash
<WinInfo> http://www.seattlewireless.net/NoCatSplash
<FKnight`> the different SSIDs to different VLANs does indeed help if your switch has your inside and outside VLAN'd
<peerce> dat be da kine.
<FKnight`> that's what we might do
<rworks> Yeah, we do that to provide client and vendor internet access.
<FKnight`> use one WAP for both sides of the network
<peerce> Desp; I suppose you could do it that way, but thats not very good authentication or security.
<peerce> unless you have additional security layers on your corporate side.
<peerce> like VPN
<FKnight`> we use RADIUS
<rworks> They aren't allowed to plut into our network, but we have a separate wireless network which connects to the internet.
<peerce> and if you have VPN, you really don't need multiple SSIDS
<rworks> And we use wireless ethernet bridges that they plug into their laptops.
<FKnight`> rworks: good idea
<rworks> Yeah, we've done that for a few years.
<FKnight`> I don't know but I don't want to have to send a tech to configure a client's laptop in the building with a VPN configuration
<z0rgatr0n> When we have visitors in the office and want internet access, I tell them that somebody upstairs has an open gateway with an SSID of "Linksys" that has ipsec open. :D
<rworks> We came out with the policy a few years ago that no non-managed (as in domain member) computers plug into the network.
<rworks> And set up the client wireless network at the same time.
<peerce> FKnight`; have you ever played iwth openVPN? its *SO* simple to configure, can be done totally automatically.
<peerce> the windows client, I mean
<BBS> why not just put el-cheapo WAP's (like said linksys) on their own vlan outside of the firewall and be done with it?
<peerce> then its just click, connect.
<z0rgatr0n> i suppose i should vlan a WAP in the office, but feh.
<FKnight`> peerce: Actually, we're going to set up a test OpenVPN setup
<FKnight`> to see how that goes
<z0rgatr0n> seriously, the need happens maybe once a year
<FKnight`> I'm interested in OVPN
<rworks> We bought a Juniper SSL VPN this year.
<peerce> use the openvpn gui client for windows.
<rworks> They are quite nice.
<peerce> thats what we use at work. neoteris, originally.
<peerce> juniper, I mean
<rworks> Yeah, Juniper bought Neoteris.
<peerce> actually, netscreen bought neoteris, juniper bought netscreen :D
<peerce> juniper has some nice products
<Desp> peerce: with the seperate vlans, i can filter traffic at the pix and not allow anyone on the public ssid to touch the internal network... but i just have to make sure the private ssid is properly secured
<peerce> we use the netscreen ipsec routers for our permanent B2B tunnels.
<z0rgatr0n> bbs: would be rather annoying in our current configuration actually. the cisco router basically serves as a CPE, wires directly into a linux box that takes care of the firewall duties, then the DHCP is handed out by windows servers
<z0rgatr0n> bbs: easier to tell them to mooch the downstairs people :D
<peerce> and, how do you secure the private ssid ?
<Desp> that i havent completely figured out yet :)
<peerce> Desp; have one ssid. it has internet access, perhaps via an authentication portal like nocatsplash or chillispot. it also has VPN access to your internet network via whatever VPN you use.
<peerce> thats secure.
<peerce> at least as secure as your VPN is, anyways.
<peerce> typo. meant... it also has VPN access to your internal network via whatever VPN you use.
<peerce> do you have a VPN now for mobile users, telecommuters, etc?
<Desp> no
<peerce> you dont have any traveling employees like salespeople?
<peerce> or whatever ?
<Desp> not at this place, no... it is a place that rents out meeting space
<Desp> hence the more than normal amount of visitors
<peerce> so? you've got a secure network, and employees. none of the employees ever travel on business?
<FKnight`> every time they want to move the printer at work, I keep trying to get them to get it close enough to a motion sensor
<Epikk> hey.. where else would i find error logs for ASP scripts besides system32/logfiles ? I
<FKnight`> so I can set the alarm off by printing something from home
<z0rgatr0n> FKnight`: hahahaahaa
<XTR> LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOOOOOOORRRRRRR.
<Epikk> I'm getting a 500 error but its not giving me a reason why
<FKnight`> 500 server error on http means you wanna check out the access and error log
<peerce> Epikk; well, if you're getting system level errors, not webserver level, they might be in the system event viewer logs.
<z0rgatr0n> that likely would work actually, as the paper is hot coming out of the equipment.... the sensors dont typically sense motion in itself, but motion of infrared signals (ie heat)
<FKnight`> but generally the 500 might mean a backend app failed
<FKnight`> like asp
<Epikk> checked them too.. nothing
<Desp> peerce: they really dont
<FKnight`> or php
<FKnight`> or some other server side processing
<z0rgatr0n> There are dual-sensor motion sensors that implement both a standard infrared element in addition to a microwave horn
<z0rgatr0n> those can sense motion of non-heat objects
<Epikk> it only happens after uploading a file larger then 20mb
<Desp> peerce: for some reason i have nothing but issues with vpn... i prefer citrix/terminal servers for remote access
<peerce> you like spending lots of money, eh?
<Desp> why do you say that?
<peerce> citrix is $$$$$
<Desp> well, terminal server isnt too bad
<Desp> citrix is overpriced for what it does now
<peerce> yeah, but windows terminal server doesn't really offer a secure internet portal like Citrix does.
<z0rgatr0n> do any of you watch that show "so you think you can dance"
<peerce> never heard of it
<BBS> I do
<BBS> didn't watch tonight's yet though
<z0rgatr0n> its on fox. successor (takeoff?) of American Idol
<z0rgatr0n> but instead of singing, they dance
<z0rgatr0n> Tonights they voted off both dancers that did that mexican bull-fighter dance lastnight
<peerce> sounds like fodder for Stupid Human Tricks on letterman.
<BBS> wow
<BBS> <@BBS> didn't watch tonight's yet though
<BBS> thanks, ***wipe :(
<z0rgatr0n> solly :(
<Desp> peerce: well, you have given me some things to think about... thanks for the help
<z0rgatr0n> didnt know you tivoed stuff. tell me in advance so i dont spoil things :(
<BBS> who doesn't?
<z0rgatr0n> i dont. i like the live aspect. the commercials **** but i guess i get something out of the live experience?
<Epikk> ok let me try it this way.. the only thing that resembles an error that i've found is this "UploadID=162556929|317|80070070|" where 80070070 is a disk space error i beleive but there is plenty
<z0rgatr0n> i do have it set to record in my replaytv but i still watch it live
<BBS> I was out drinking
<BBS> has nothing to do with commercials :)
<z0rgatr0n> oh, excellent reasoning :D
<BBS> I"m not a big fan of how they're doing the voting this season
<BBS> I think it's quite stupid
<z0rgatr0n> i missed last season, however i think this one is kinda corny. if this is a takeoff of american idol, they arent doing a great job.
<Epikk> :/
<BBS> well last season the judges picked the bottom 3 couples
<z0rgatr0n> i was really into this last season of Idol, mainly due to chris daughtry. when he was voted off, i pretty much lost all interest.
<BBS> and the votes decided who out of those three would go (well, each individual person
<BBS> this year, it's a total popularity contest
<BBS> why have judges?
<z0rgatr0n> Yeah they did kinda emphasize the necessity of "personality"... ie. popularity.
<peerce> hahahhahaha. userfriendly ran a stupid short sequence about the marketing twirp wanting to create 'facexplaces.com' as a sorta myspace.com takeoff. some guy registered it today. said registrator is running for santa cruz city council :D http://www.thomasleavitt.org/cc/
<z0rgatr0n> what about skill
<Chris--> http://cgi.ebay.com/Ben-Roethlisberger-Replica-Motorcycle-Helmet_W0QQitemZ8828346114
<peerce> its a small small world, its a small world after all....
<BBS> yeah, but the average american has no clue what dancing is about
<BBS> myself included
<z0rgatr0n> Daughtry was totally rocking, had more skill then anyone else imho, but somehow lost the popularity vote. nobody woulda figured Hicks would win
<BBS> the person who gets voted off is going to be,without fail, the person with the ****tiest draw on style that week
<BBS> if you draw hip-hop, you're safe
<z0rgatr0n> that hip-hop kid may make it far because of his baby face
<BBS> if you draw something that no-one understands, like viennese waltz, you're ****ed
<z0rgatr0n> yeah the dance could be the silver bullet for them
<z0rgatr0n> how can you **** up a 70s disco? they had it made in the shade
<BBS> you think the average american understands the 5 points?
<BBS> I think not!
<BBS> so yeah, last year, i think the judging was better
<BBS> with american idol, it's easy. either they sing well or not
<BBS> everyone knows when someone is off-key
<z0rgatr0n> they dont appear to have the greatest sponsorship.. man, with idol, the sponsorship is so in your face, its like pubic dental floss
<BBS> with dancing, it's a different story
<Lars-PH> <BBS> this year, it's a total popularity contest
<Lars-PH> <BBS> why have judges?
<Lars-PH> <BBS> with american idol, it's easy. either they sing well or not
<Lars-PH> <BBS> everyone knows when someone is off-key
<Lars-PH> :p
<BBS> is there a reason you have to repeat everything I just said?
<Lars-PH> i think its more of a popularity contest when it comes to idol than musical performance
<Lars-PH> you contradict yourself :)
<FKnight`> I disagree with Lars-PH
<FKnight`> .
<BBS> I don't think I contradict myself
<FKnight`> He didn't contradict himself.
<z0rgatr0n> well on another note its been frequent that the non-winners of Idol have succeeded better then the actual winners.
<z0rgatr0n> Aiken beat Ruben
<z0rgatr0n> Daughtry was offered job as frontman for Fuel
<Ustas> BBS :)
<BBS> american idol may actually be a popularity contest, I don't know, I really don't watch it. but at least the average viewer can make an educated decision, by just listening to music every day, on what's a good rendition of a song and what's not
<BBS> how many americans know **** about dance?
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