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<peerce> extra licenses for some of the 'agents' are fairly cheap
<z0rgatr0n> agents. yeah. we'd have like 5 remote agents.
<z0rgatr0n> funny the remote agent for Linux for BE is no extra cost
<peerce> you don't need agents for windows
<z0rgatr0n> no ****?
<z0rgatr0n> that sounds almost too good to be true
<peerce> but I have 'express lite' which is what comes free with the tape drive, 'lite' (thats not what they call it) won't do SQL server native backups, and some other stuff, but can be upgraded to full Express which can.
<peerce> so I run a script that generates a sql backup with osql, then backup that
<XTR> OH GAAAAOOOWD. The Vodka.
<z0rgatr0n> hmm. thats one thing I wonder about BE. it uses SQL (msde) to store its own info, however, they have a separate license to backup MS SQL databases. I wonder if they make an exception for their own db.
<peerce> hahah.
<peerce> you should put a LTO on its own dedicated ultra160 or ultra320 scsi channel
<z0rgatr0n> im pushing for a better backup solution but at the moment we're really in need for faster intra-computer data transfer, ie, going gigabit...
<peerce> I stuck a $500 gigabit ethernet 24 port switch on my server racks :D
<z0rgatr0n> we really have *SO* much ****ing data that we need to backup, its insane. the server holds just maybe 5% of our total data load
<FKnight`> how much data?
<z0rgatr0n> like ive mentioned in the past, certain job runs can consume 75gb per run, and thats per load step of a vibratory analysis, and thats just one run, we need to do x, y, and z.
<z0rgatr0n> and thats just for ONE run. when a parameter changes, we have to re-run all three, but keep the previous results
<peerce> if you're backing up user workstation data, I'd have a several terabyte file server that the workstations PUSH backups onto, then you back those up to tape for archiving.
<z0rgatr0n> a terabyte of data is consumed in no time
<FKnight`> z0rgatr0n: yeah
<peerce> maybe a NAS head with a ISCSI SAN as the backup server
<z0rgatr0n> we have a 2tb nas on the network. but once again, on a 100bt network
<peerce> 24TB of usable raid on an Intransa or something.
<z0rgatr0n> thats our biggest crutch
<z0rgatr0n> we've seen some 48-port gigabit procurves refurbed for $1800 each
<sartan> user workstation data...
<peerce> um.
<z0rgatr0n> we may be buying two of those after payroll
<sartan> go for better software
<z0rgatr0n> we have procurves now. love em. bad*** switches.
<peerce> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/GSM7248.php bout $1300, layer 2 managed 48 port gigabit switch
<XTR> Volume Shadow Copy rules. I just implemented it last week.
<peerce> those totally kick *** performance wise
<z0rgatr0n> not switching from procurves. like em too much.
<FKnight`> we got a Netgear Gigabit
<FKnight`> works great
<FKnight`> solid
<FKnight`> keep the **** back with their routers tho
<sartan> is outlook 2007 part of the same download as the rest of office 2007?
<XTR> Shuddap.
<FKnight`> sartan: it was with me
<z0rgatr0n> lifetime on procurves too, warranty wise. i even had to rma one, and they early-morning overnighted the replacement without even asking for a credit card
<sartan> i got that BCM **** that was exactly what i was avoiding
<z0rgatr0n> the support from HP is so ****ing awesome
<XTR> Outlook blows so bad without Exchange.
<z0rgatr0n> and that was a tiny little 8 port unmanaged 10/100
<peerce> even on grey market refurbs?
<FKnight`> XTR: it's alright with pop
<peerce> warranties aren't always transferable, read the fine print
<FKnight`> XTR: screw IMAP tho
<z0rgatr0n> Yeah these refurbs come with full manufacturer warranty
<FKnight`> actually, it's not alright with pop
<sartan> i've got exchange
<XTR> Totally eh.
<FKnight`> it's OK
<FKnight`> I won't go past OK
<sartan> i can't find a url to download this stuff. everything on microsoft.com is giving me BCM
<FKnight`> actually
<FKnight`> Outlook seems to work better for POP if your pop server is NOT an Exchange server
<z0rgatr0n> ive also got some old baystacks that i love, but i think bay networks dissolved before gigabit?
<XTR> I had a user tody with some kinda ****ed up address book entry that said, user does not exist. And we don't have imap.
<peerce> 24 port unmanaged gigabit netgear switches are $400-$450.
<z0rgatr0n> its funny, i use some of our old baystacks, which originally cost thousands of dollars, as just bench switches.
<XTR> And I got in **** for it cause she's a bitch princess.
<peerce> i had a ****load of cabletron switches that probably cost $$$$$ originally that were 10baseT only, we were using them as bench junk too.
<z0rgatr0n> peerce :D
<peerce> 24 port 1u rackmounted cabletrons
<XTR> Technotronic.
<z0rgatr0n> ive got a baystack 350t 10/100 managed on my bench
<z0rgatr0n> we have a 450 just sitting unpowered in the sever rooim, i think thats a 24 port
<peerce> whoa. 48 port layer THREE managed gigabit PLUS 4 10gig uplink/trunk/whatever ports.
<peerce> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/GSM7352S.php
<z0rgatr0n> its just that HP i think has been in this business so much longer then netgear
<z0rgatr0n> im worried about buying a product from a company that also caters to the consumer market
<peerce> I doubt HP makes their own network gear
<z0rgatr0n> I dunno, but procurves are tried and tested
<z0rgatr0n> money also is not that big of an object. im not looking for the cheapest product out there.
<z0rgatr0n> we sorta refuse to buy the cheapest solution
<XTR> zorg Do you let your users have a choice with email clients? Or do you lay thw smackdown?
<XTR> "OUTLOOK".
<Hawkeye> z0g, I am quite probably going to be in Lauderdale this weekend.
<peerce> z0rgs workstations are mostly linux, aren't they?
<XTR> I got half my users on Thunderburd now.
<z0rgatr0n> xtr: at the moment, most users are on outlook 2003, some still prefer OE, at one time we had one user who liked Thunderbird. we're eventually moving fully to Outlook 2003.
<peerce> oh.
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: stonewall?
<peerce> never mind.
<XTR> If the project flops over, I'm hosed. :)
<XTR> Kew.
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: awesome dude. I will be in FTL this weekend. Don's band is playing in the parade.
<XTR> z0rg has some linux machines.
<Hawkeye> Parade
<Hawkeye> huh?
<Hawkeye> Is there something going on this weekend?
<z0rgatr0n> stonewall, ftl's pride event
<Hawkeye> Oh?
<z0rgatr0n> that is this weekend
<XTR> Oh.
<XTR> Hawkeye is behind somewhat.
<XTR> I love you dude.
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: http://www.stonewallstreetfestival.com/
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: so yeah its confirmed i will be at that event.
<Hawkeye> Well, I won't know for certain until tomorrow if I am going down.
<Hawkeye> You remember my friend Mike that you met at Pulse?
<XTR> SATR0N. DANT.
<z0rgatr0n> I dont remember much from Pulse except the psychedelic lighting :D
<Hawkeye> He had a random lets goto FTL idea earlier tonight when we were at Southern
<XTR> I love payday Vodka.
<FKnight`> ****in' drunks
<XTR> :(
<FKnight`> hehe
<z0rgatr0n> I actually asked a buddy of mine about the lighting at Pulse. he's never seen a thing, and he's in the electrical biz.
<XTR> I love you man.
<XTR> ****in st0ners.
<FKnight`> XTR: mail me some pot
<FKnight`> hahahha
<Hawkeye> z0rgatr0n, its not much more than leds that reflect against white walls
<z0rgatr0n> Yeah, LEDs is all it is
<Hawkeye> And they have it as a no smoking room so there can't be any yellow tint happening.
<XTR> FK See, now my concern, with this brand new implementation of Volume Shadow Copy. Is that, if users will know how to use it, and if it will become a support issue.
<z0rgatr0n> its a sweet effect
<z0rgatr0n> i find that one of the coolest clubs ive ever been to
<FKnight`> XTR: whenever users are involved it's a support issue
<FKnight`> but
<Hawkeye> Yeah, we like it.
<XTR> I said in my email, "copy insetad of restore". Havne't had any calls yet.
<FKnight`> "I ****ed up" restores from the past few days of retention are already a support issue
<Hawkeye> z0g, my a/c is still out
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: DAMN
<XTR> :(
<FKnight`> what the VSC client does is move the work to the end user who ****ed up
<XTR> True dat.
<z0rgatr0n> Hawkeye: is this apartment rent whereas the landlord needs to fix it?
<XTR> "Previous versions". :)
<sartan> pussies.
<XTR> Shuddap.
<sartan> vsc doesn't work on mac.
<XTR> ahaha.
<XTR> That's funny.
<XTR> Cause it's true.
<FKnight`> yeah but **** macs
<sartan> macs are important..
<XTR> Like totwlly.
<z0rgatr0n> i was searching ebay for atari 2600s earlier today. its amazing theyre still available pretty cheap.
<sartan> but we're a design/creative media company
<z0rgatr0n> youd think they were collecotr items by now
<sartan> photography...
<sartan> design..
<FKnight`> sartan trüe
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