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<avrFreak> Alrighty! System comes up, goies through POST, starts to boot. Tries to boot from first CD ()no disk), so it drops to trying to boot from the second CD
<FKnight`> as far as booting from CD, that's weiord
<avrFreak> it gives e a "Boot CD:" prompt. I hit <enter> and it starts accessing the second CD ROM. "
<avrFreak> "Ahhhh," says I, "*NOW* we're in business." Not so fast...after a few seconds the dsrive access light goes out, the drive spinds down, and the system starts reading and booting fromt he freaking HDD again...so naturally, I get the BSOD again.
<FKnight`> the same BSOD ?
<avrFreak> I can't even do a repair install, or a new install, because I can't get the machine to boot!
<avrFreak> (additional note: the disk drives that will not boot on the XP-1700 boot up just fine on the PIII-450...thAT'S WHAT i AM USING RIGHT NOW
<avrFreak> ok..THAT'S THE END OF THRE LIST
<FKnight`> Ok, well, this is how you fix the INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE BSOD from Windows booting from the hard drive: put the old motherboard back, boot up, install hdd controller drivers from new motherboard.
<avrFreak> oops
<FKnight`> then put new motherboard in
<FKnight`> as far as your CD not booting right, I have no idea
<avrFreak> Ahhhhhhhhh...noew *THAT* makes sense, Fknight
<FKnight`> but it's separate
<avrFreak> Fknight: I am going to try your suggestion, but I *DO* have somne questions
<FKnight`> hangon there's a kb article
<avrFreak> 1) how can the system clsaim it "cannot access the boot device," when it clearly *HAS* accessed the boot device, to bring up the WIn2K startup splash screen, and it has obtained the teext for the errormessage from that very same boot device?
<FKnight`> ok, I explained that, but I'll retype it :
<FKnight`> :D
<FKnight`> when the intital boot up process starts, Windows is using a base driver set to get the hard drive going so it can read in the OS
<FKnight`> after it gets enough of the OS in to load drivers, it starts loading the REAL drivers
<FKnight`> if the system kept booting with the base drivers, it would be VERY slow
<FKnight`> cause there would be no DMA access, or any other enhancements by the controller drivers
<FKnight`> unfortunately, unlike Windows 9x, Microsoft decided to even cripple safe mode
<FKnight`> in Windows 9x, your system would still boot, but just run slow
<FKnight`> and you could still install the drivers
<avrFreak> Ah. Now THAT I understand. I have virtually no knowledge of WIndows internals. Thnkas Fknight
<avrFreak> have to go
<FKnight`> hold on
<FKnight`> I'm finding a kb article :D
<avrFreak> wife is breathing down my neck...I need to go
<FKnight`> yeah it's what I thought
<avrFreak> I'll be bacvk in a while
<FKnight`> that shouldwork
<FKnight`> good luck
<Segmental> yo FKnight`
<Segmental> u here still??
<Segmental> FKnight`?
<Segmental> http://www.dcodesoftware.com/images/huh.jpg
<Segmental> wtf is this?
<Segmental> that was after using the login
<Segmental> whee thx
<Segmental> :L(
<DefiantN> so I just installed about 50 critical security updates... why is it win95 never had this problem?
<Thuryn> DefiantN, it did.
<FKnight`> Problem? Microsoft releasing more patches to FIX PROBLEMS
<FKnight`> is a PROBLEM
<FKnight`> I've heard it all now
<FKnight`> You want them to go back to Windows 95 days?
<FKnight`> when they didn't release patches?
<FKnight`> don't install them :D
<DefiantN> I was referring to the vulunerabilites
<FKnight`> all software has vulnerabilities. Microsoft just patches there's more.
<FKnight`> because they're under attack more
<SD70MAC> Which problem are you referring to? And why are you JUST NOW installing these patches?
<Thuryn> DefiantN, windows 9x had *many* vulnerabilities, some of which were never fixed.
<DefiantN> I just reinstalled windows
<FKnight`> *their's
<SD70MAC> Ahh, so you had autopatcher on hand?
<SD70MAC> FK: you used them correctly the first time. :D
<Gullb3rG> when i start Photoshop at my computer my internet dies. Some1 know whats the problem ? I have tryed to shut down the most process but it still shut down internet
<Thuryn> *theirs
<FKnight`> SD70MAC: but I used "there's"
<DefiantN> I used winupdate
<SD70MAC> Oh, that one.
<Segmental> FKnight`?
<FKnight`> Segmental hmm ?
<SD70MAC> Then yeah, their's.
<Thuryn> no, *theirs
<Segmental> FKnight` i tried the ****ing client install on his pc, it wants a MANAGED SERVER running
<SD70MAC> No, the apostrophe is correct.
<Segmental> even tho MY pc with the SERVER AV is shown in list
<FKnight`> you do have a managed server running I thought
<FKnight`> that ****s
<FKnight`> now
<Segmental> THIS IS BS
<Thuryn> no, it isn't
<FKnight`> my server has always been in a domain
<FKnight`> I don't know if that matters
<Thuryn> i'll go look it up
<SD70MAC> Please do.
<Segmental> THIS IS BS
<Segmental> :(
<Thuryn> http://englishlanguage.allinfoabout.com/difficulties/theirs.html
<Jet> heh, stick my head out the door to grab the flyers, it's raining
<Segmental> all i want to do is prevent him from ****ing his up again
<Thuryn> it's "theirs" for possessive third person plural
<FKnight`> so anyway that's the thing now ... if you DON'T release patches to your vulnerabilities. . you're "more secure"
<FKnight`> got it :D
<Thuryn> what bothers me is that i had to look it up. :(
<Jet> FKnight`: what bugs me is everyone made a huge deal out of the WMF vulnerability... yet QT 7.0.3 had huge holes that Apple fixed, you hardly hear anything about it
<FKnight`> yeah
<FKnight`> well dude
<Thuryn> Jet, that's not what the big deal was.
<FKnight`> Apple is just ...
<FKnight`> well
<FKnight`> Apple is Jesus.
<Segmental> [10:56] <Segmental> i did Client install
<Segmental> [10:57] <Segmental> A managed client cannot connect to a unmanaged Seconary Server
<Segmental> [10:57] <Segmental> It must connect to either a managed Secondary Server or directly to a Primary Server
<Segmental> [10:57] <Segmental> plz explain
<SD70MAC> Hmm. That is an obscure rule I'll probably not remember.
<FKnight`> right click on the server in the symantec system center
<FKnight`> and do "make primary server"
<Segmental> where?
<Segmental> where is symantec system center
<FKnight`> symantec system center is on the av server
<Thuryn> the big deal was that there was no decent fix and no real workaround.
<FKnight`> if you installed it from the sav corp cd
<FKnight`> it's separate from the av server itself
<FKnight`> it's an MMC console
<Segmental> o ok
<Jet> Thuryn: qt opened certain file types IN the browser without prompting the user and loading of certain malformed types of images and other media could cause code to be executed
<Segmental> ok i did mmc at start => run
<Segmental> i went to Add/Remove Snapin
<Segmental> i do not see symantec system center
<FKnight`> Segmental you have to install it
<Thuryn> jet, but did the fix come out with the vulnerability announcement?
<FKnight`> it's separate from the av software
<FKnight`> it's on the autorun menu
<Segmental> oh
<Segmental> im using v10 btw
<Segmental> incase u got confused heh
<Segmental> oh i see it now
<Segmental> Administrator Tools
<Jet> Thuryn: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15732
<Jet> no, the vulnerability was published Dec 2
<FKnight`> Microsoft gets in trouble for waiting to write a patch before issuing an announcement. The slashdotters are mad that Microsoft fixes problems before they get a chance to hack people.
<Jet> I don't think QT 7.0.4 was released until January 11
<Thuryn> FKnight`, yup
<SD70MAC> Mmmmm. Food.
<Segmental> i love FKnight`
<Segmental> he rox
<Jet> But see, did you konw that QT was vulnerable for a month?
<Jet> nope
<Jet> no one did
<Thuryn> it's PR vs. responsible and timely announcements
<Thuryn> they can't win
<Thuryn> i think they should wait until a) someone else announces it or b) they have a fix
<FKnight`> yeah me too
<Thuryn> (or a workaround)
<Jet> that makes them look reactionary
<FKnight`> to me, it makes them look responsible
<Thuryn> jet, but we already established that they can't win. ;)
<Jet> well, I'm talking slashdot perceptions
<Jet> ya
<Thuryn> oh, screw /.
<Jet> it's lose lose
<FKnight`> hehehe
<Jet> of course, they should not release buggy software in the first place
<Jet> :)
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