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<FKnight`> morganix: that would have the exact same capabilities as SP2's firewall
<rworks> morganix: Um, a software host-based firewall and a hardware firewall are completely different beasts.
<digidog> install linux for a firewall so you can be completely uneducated about what it is your missing
<rworks> I don't consider either a good replacement for the other.
<digidog> linksys router and sp2
<digidog> works fine for me
<digidog> though i ahve the uber linksys
<rworks> And yeah, your linux box that isn't properly administered will become your biggest security hole.
<FKnight`> morganix: the problem is, *you're* not looking for a firewall
<digidog> the metal linksys's rock
<rworks> Contrary to popular ./ opinion, Linux is *not* more secure than Windows.
<FKnight`> that's why you're saying SP2's firewall ****s
<rworks> And a lot harder to learn to administer.
<digidog> /.
<rworks> Yeah.
<rworks> That.
<rworks> :)
<rworks> I'm stoned.
<digidog> :)
<digidog> i was
<rworks> You should come get stoned with me sometime.
<digidog> ive got some good **** here
<peerce> wtf. p3-450 with a 7200rpm ATA drive should be able to write over 2MB/second to disk, shouldn't it? and handle over 2MB/sec on 100baseT ?!?
<digidog> but dude
<rworks> Then I'll come there!
<rworks> ;)
<digidog> i only smoke like 1-2 hits
<digidog> cmon
<peerce> with linux, I mean.
<rworks> NOt tonight though.
<rworks> I'm too stoned!
<rworks> :)
<digidog> well thats good
<peerce> i'm logged onto linux, and using ncftp to fetch something from another machine on my LAN, and its only doing 2MB/sec
<digidog> cause im weirded out when guys come to my house @ 3am
<rworks> peerce: I would think so.
<rworks> Unless you accidentally installed KDE.
<rworks> Then it'll be good for maybe 1/10 that.
<rworks> ;)
<peerce> hell, no. its my firewall/server :D
<digidog> god damn
<rworks> digidog: As would be your neighbors.
<digidog> i installed this baracuda like 10 minutes ago
<digidog> and at 3:00 am
<digidog> Blocked 176
<peerce> kupdate is going nuts, load factor is around 5
<rworks> digidog: You have DSL at home?
<digidog> yes
<digidog> business
<rworks> I'm about to get rid of DSL.
<rworks> Going to cable.
<digidog> i hate to get rid of cable
<rworks> I get **** speeds.
<digidog> i had cable for 5 years
<digidog> no 7
<digidog> but in my area
<rworks> Cause of the distance from my CO.
<digidog> cable ****s
<rworks> Oh.
<FKnight`> I'm not far from my CO
<rworks> Why does it ****?
<digidog> and they finally had to let me out of my contract
<FKnight`> but there's something between the CO and my house
<digidog> dunno
<FKnight`> so I can't get DSL
<digidog> something really weird
<digidog> they replaced the modem 3 times
<digidog> redid the outside wiring
<digidog> i would still get dropped/latency
<rworks> FKnight`: My friend chose his house partly because of its distance from the CO.
<rworks> :)
<csm-> probably a bridge tap
<digidog> not to mention
<digidog> copmcast recently ****ed up
<digidog> they isntalled these new modem/routers everywhere in dfw
<digidog> and they are ALL broken
<rworks> He's like 1500 feet on the line test. :)
<digidog> we found it
<csm-> they'll deny dsl service if there is a bridge tap between you and the CO
<FKnight`> yeah must have been that
<rworks> digidog: I'm getting Charter.
<FKnight`> I got Roadrunner tho
<FKnight`> so **** it
<digidog> there is fttp here
<csm-> no matter how close you are :/
<digidog> but no service
<rworks> Getting 3mb/384 and 1 static IP.
<csm-> yeah gimmie cable any day
<csm-> **** a bunch of pppoe
<FKnight`> cable company is closer to me too :D
<digidog> i have a 384 up dsl account
<digidog> 100/month
<rworks> Which will be a challenge, because I really need almost 2.
<FKnight`> I don't know if that matters or not
<FKnight`> but the cable company is across the street
<rworks> Ack, I really need 2.
<digidog> but i never get over 256
<digidog> problem is
<digidog> i dont know what my dsl phone number is
<digidog> so if i call for support
<digidog> im ****ed
<FKnight`> I'm close enough to connect to my cable ISP over WiFi
<morganix> "<rworks> morganix: Um, a software host-based firewall and a hardware firewall are completely different beasts." What would be the diffence between a hardware firewall and something like FREESCO?
<csm-> i got 6meg down and 768k up for like 69/month
<digidog> and your reality is substantialy different :)
<rworks> morganix: I'm talking about the difference between a dedicated perimeter firewall and a host-based firewall like kerio.
<csm-> and i get damn near all of it too
<digidog> pfft
<digidog> show me your dslreports
<csm-> i dont rely on dslreports
<rworks> I'm getting 384/384
<rworks> Which is pathetic.
<FKnight`> I rely on my slow download speeds :D
<FKnight`> not dsl reports :D
<rworks> And why I'm going to cable.
<csm-> i'll scp a file over it both ways and test it :)
<FKnight`> I don't need dsl reports to tell me the Internet is slow
<morganix> Good, so then an old box running FREESCO is a good idea?
<rworks> Speakeasy has a really nice speed test.
<peerce> wtf is FREESCO ?
<rworks> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
<pale_blue> free SCO? HA.
<morganix> Freesco is based on the older but stable 2.0.38 Linux kernel. The kernel has been purposely pared down to provide basic network and IP routing duties. Many of the non-network related funtions have been removed. Freesco has a NAT router which handles the LAN traffic from one or more IP addresses and acts as a gateway to the Internet. With this, two or more computers may share one Internet connection.
<morganix> A secure firewall is included. A firewall will stop unauthorised access from the Internet to the LAN. This will greatly reduce the chance of attacks by malicious hackers. Anyone with a direct, broadband Internet connection such as DSL or cable should have some form of firewall installed.
<morganix> Freesco also includes on the floppy disk, the code for a print server and a DHCP server for the internal network.
<morganix> Freesco offers a good foundation for building a larger, more powerful server. Other packages such as web servers and proxy servers may be added. This will however, add more complexity to the system and will require a hard drive to store the extra files. The Freesco Web ring has several sites with extra packages to add to Freesco.
<morganix> Internet connections can be made with DSL, cable or dial-up modems.
<digidog> god damn you
<csm-> ugh
<FKnight`> peerce: I don't know, but a linksys is worth less than the time he's spent here arguing over firewalls :D
<peerce> 2.0 ?!? oh christ.
<sartan> hey digidog do you have a degree
<digidog> download speed: 3842 kbps
<digidog> upload speed: 2812 kbps
<digidog> yes sartan
<morganix> didn't mean to do that.
<sartan> k
<peerce> dude, the 2.4 kernel is 100X better for firewalling.
<peerce> iptables owns your ***
<digidog> why?
<sartan> iptables rocks.
<digidog> ill stick with acl's
<sartan> i am an iptables "Expert" according to monster.ca
<digidog> on a pix
<sartan> and I'll have to admit intermediate skills with PIX
<sartan> only because pix can do so much more than iptables
<peerce> have fun doing source IP based route preferences
<digidog> that little pix 501 rocks for remote sites
<sartan> cl*** maps.
<sartan> peerce: the pix isn't a router
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